I didn’t take that as doubting Mark but if doubting the second had source. People inadvertently turn off self driving features and don’t realize they did it or it times out because they weren’t paying attention but they rarely admit their mistake. The car would record if the brake had been pushed or the steering wheel jarred too hard or time out for lack of driver response. I’m sure there is proof or the vehicle safety would be all over them.
Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, February 4, 2022, 5:51 PM, Bill Dube via EV <[email protected]> wrote: Michael - How, exactly, would Mark be able to provide "factual data" on this incident? If you think about it, how would _anyone_ be able to, since the device that could record the incident data was off-line at the time it happened and this was the root cause of the incident? Mark speculated that it was quite possible that other similar "glitches" have caused other similar unrecorded incidents. I have known Mark for more than 20 years and have found him utterly truthful and reliable. If he says it happened, I completely believe it happened. Also, I can envision how this could easily happen and how it would completely escape the notice of Tesla. On commercial airplanes, they have two (2) separate flight computers, using two different brand CPUs, using two completely "firewalled" separate teams of code developers for their flight computers. The two systems continuously monitor each other for faults and warn the pilots when they see any divergence in flight control between the computers. There are two _other_ separate systems recording flight data as well. They do this because peoples lives depend on these systems working perfectly and continuously. There is no similar multiple redundancy in Tesla. _YOU_ are the redundancy that they are depending on to take over if there is a computer glitch. "The world is an imperfect place. Screws fall out." (Quote from "The Breakfast Club.") Bill D. On 2/5/2022 11:08 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > Mark, Can you show me where this anecdotal information might be gathered as > factual data? I have become very wary of information that is not > attributed to some source that I can trust. No offence intended. > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2022 at 4:38 PM Mark Hanson via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Tesla should just drop the whole self driving thing and just focus on a >> great electric car. My Tesla Y was the only EV I could find with towing >> capacity for my H20 ski boat and an excellent nationwide charging network. >> The problem with self driving is when the computer gets a glitch, it drops >> out and the vehicle goes straight, usually into a tree on a curvy road >> (happened to my friend last year and previous year to his wife in a >> Tesla3). Of course when the computer drops out it doesn’t record the crash >> as a self driving error. How convenient for Tesla. The actual crash rate >> is much higher than recorded. >> Best regards >> Mark >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Address messages to [email protected] >> No other addresses in TO and CC fields >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ >> LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> > _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220205/eeba446f/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
