I have a unique perspective, having played a role in the push for the original ZEV mandate in California, and think that it’s safe to say that Musk (and the original Tesla developers) pushed forward the “tipping point” on EVs by as much as decades.
His role, on several levels, has been unique, historical and successful. That being said, there is much he has done that is despicable - his disrespect of and flaunting of the rule of law, his treatment of his workers, his destruction of the communities where he locates his plants, and so on. Much, not all, of that has been a factor in Tesla’s profitability. Not that I’ve not mentioned one thing yet about his personality. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 21, 2022, at 7:58 AM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree. It's all subjective, of course. On the other hand, i think the real > question is "when." > > Without Musk, I'm certain EVs would have eventually become a commercial > product. But compare this to the reduction in working at the office and > shopping in physical stores. Before COVID, the trend was evident. The shift > was certain to happen ...eventually. But COVID sharply accelerated the > change. Likewise, so did Musk. > > Peri > ________________________________ > From: Willie via EV <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 5:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Willie > Subject: Re: [EVDL] leaf heater switch > > >> On 5/20/22 13:29, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: >>> On 19 May 2022 at 13:17, Willie via EV wrote: >>> >>> I find it impossible to believe we would be where we are now without >>> Tesla and Musk. That is why I am so bumfuzzled by negativism toward >>> both. >> Hmm, I thought I'd answered that in past posts. Sorry if it wasn't clear. >> I'll try again, and I hope that others will have some thoughts too. > Well.... I remain bumfuzzled. > I just can not see from your viewpoint. For decades, you and many of us > here have striven to promote adoption of EVs. In the past ~10 years, > we have enjoyed astonishing success. To most, it is clear that > Tesla/Musk is the near sole cause. Yet you try to argue that it would > be happening in the absence of Tesla/Musk. And, you fault Musk not on > his accomplishments but on his personality. Thereby > denying/refuting/ignoring those accomplishments. > Personally, I find most auto advertising insulting. I cite recent > Cadillac EV advertising that the Cadillac buyer can be "iconic" and all > sorts of vague meaningless terms. Tesla is highly admirable in choosing > to let customers sell cars through honest evaluations. With ZERO > advertising. A very significant side effect is that Tesla has near zero > support from mainstream media. That, because of the tremendous ad > revenues coming from traditional auto makers and dealers. I do wish > Musk would be more circumspect in his public statements but I consider > that flaw to be dwarfed by his accomplishments. But, Musk is savaged by > MSM and many are swayed by MSM, not really doing much independent thinking. > On FSD: as others have pointed out, it is an option. It need not be > bought or used if bought. Despite all the negative MSM coverage, AP and > FSD statistics are that a driver using it is far less likely to have an > accident than a driver that does not use it. I fail to understand how > critics remain critical in the face of such facts. > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20220521/7b582d06/attachment.html> > _______________________________________________ > Address messages to [email protected] > No other addresses in TO and CC fields > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ > LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > _______________________________________________ Address messages to [email protected] No other addresses in TO and CC fields UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/ LIST INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org
