Hi John,

No worries about the clumsiness. Luckily all old messages are viewable and searchable here.

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I tend to delete most of the email thread from my replies because eventually the message to the OSList will get too big and will get blocked by the 1 megabyte limit. (We need the limit to help prevent us from being tagged a "spammer".)

This awareness that we all have "stakes" in our client systems seems critical. Absolute neutrality? I doubt it's possible. If anything, we were drawn to our clients because we cared about them as well as what they care about. What do we do with the knowledge that comes from caring? Is it a kindness to withhold something that might help?

In short, most of the time the answer is yes, we should hold back. Especially if we're doing Open Space, but not only then.

Why? First of all, usually we don't have permission. Unwanted help is abuse.

Second is the one you mentioned already. The temptation is to offer it too quickly. Even if the client wants the help, did we really understand what's going on? There are many studied cognitive biases and effects related to this. There's the Dunning-Kruger effect where people who are less competent often overestimate their competence. That effect has a corollary for those who have some mastery, in that we wisely underestimate our competence because we know how vast is what we don't yet know. Maybe this is why Harrison steps back entirely. We become much more humble.

This second reason is why I find it really helpful to do an authentic open space for a client system, and not advocate anything. Just listen, observe and learn. Help after that is more likely to really help.

This last reason I list might be the most important. As Harrison would say, what we do for our clients, they won't do for themselves. A related awareness to this is the Navy submarine captain who wrote a book about stepping back as the leader. Stepping back helps spread leadership and competence to the people under his command. They usually know the sub better than him anyway, especially in this story (https://youtu.be/HYXH2XUfhfo).

Given all that, John, it sounds like you know what you're doing in how you are operating. I very much enjoyed your systems awareness of water as a hydrologist, and your patience holding something important. Finding the sharing balance is one I struggle with very much. Maybe it's better to give away the goods in the face of obvious ignorance, but my own experience is usually lightly planting seeds around the edges might be more effective. But I'd agree with the idea, sometimes it is better to just hand off the responsibility to the listener, and let it go. Like Jesus told his apostles, shake the dust off your feet if the town doesn't receive what you have to offer.

And I'm totally with you about bring our whole self to the dialog. How can we really care if we compartmentalize? There are lots of folks here on the OSList that help teach how to bring the whole self as an OS Facilitator. I've benefited from Genuine Contact training. And there are lots of people teaching this beyond the OSList as well.

How have you practiced not just bringing a "small fraction of ourselves" to dialog?

    Regards,
    Harold


On 5/8/23 6:59 PM, John Warinner via OSList wrote:

    /*As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and
    supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive,
    to what degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how
    the system should proceed?*/

/*
*/

    I will offer four related thoughts:

    (a) We all have "stakes" in the systems we care about. We all also
    have unique perspectives that are relevant to the systems we
    participate in.  As long as our intentions are genuinely/sincerely
    aimed toward what we perceive to be "the Common Good," I believe
    we have a responsibility to engage and share our perspectives and
    suggestions.  To me it is not a question of "if" but "when" and "how."

    (b) When we are balancing Sponsor/Facilitator/Participant roles,
    one strategy is to WAIT (at the risk of biting off the tips of our
    tongues) to provide others the open space to say (in their words)
    what we wish to say (in our words). Sometimes this happens... and
    it is delightful!  Other times, we WAIT until we reach a point
    where it appears to us that what we wish to say has not, and will
    not, be said by others... AND we fear that the Common Good will be
    underserved without this input... THEN I believe it is serving the
    Common Good to share the perspective that we have to share.

    (c) One real-life example.  I am a hydrologist.  I have
    collaborated with other people to sponsor, organize and faciliate
    an Open Space dialogue about the water that flows through a basin
    that I care about.  As I participate in the dialogue, I recognize
    a prevailing paradigm focused on the "scarcity" of water flowing
    through the system.  Lots of comments along the lines of, "there
    isn't enough for everyone," hence the need for change.  Because of
    the prevailing "scarcity" paradigm, the dialogue drifts toward
    "haves and have nots," "giving and taking", "givers and getters,"
    and "winners and losers."  I WAIT for someone to question, "How
    much water is there?"  "What is the evidence that "there isn't
    enough for everyone"?"  But this question does not arise.  I
    develop the feeling that I may be one of the few participants in
    the space that "knows" the numbers... and detects the paradigm in
    play.  The Sponsor part of me wants to optimize the Common Good. 
    The Facilitator part of me wants to keep the space open for the
    other participants.  The Participant part of me wants to share
    something along the lines of, "What if there IS enough for
    everyone?"... or "I believe there IS enough for everyone.  Our
    average annual supply is X.  Our average annual consumptive use is
    Y.  Z flows through the watershed in an average year... and Z is
    two-thirds of X."  I have learned (in time) that few (if any) of
    the other participants "know" this.  I have also learned (in time)
    that some may not believe it when I share it with them.  But it is
    my conviction because I have personally studied the data and
    developed this perspective/belief. /I am being careful here NOT to
    say that I "know" it is "True."/

    (d)  One more idea before I drop the mic, because I think it is
    important and relevant.  How often do we participate in dialogue
    as a small fraction of ourselves?  Who am I in this space, here
    and now?  Am I the caring Sponsor?  Am I the judicious
    Facilitator?  Am I the passionate Participant?  Am I the Community
    Citizen?  Am I the son of the fighter pilot (father) or the
    sociologist (mother).  Am I the Agricultural Engineer or the
    Ecological Designer... or am I the Poet that only my family
    knows?  As Father Time continues to herd me toward my 60th
    birthday, I have started to believe that this "being a small
    fraction of ourselves" may be one of the "seeds" at the root of
    our problem(s).

Thanks again for this Open Space!
JW

*John Warinner
*(541) 815-4103*
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