Will do. Thank you Peggy. JW
*John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 [email protected] <[email protected]> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 1:34 PM Peggy Holman <[email protected]> wrote: > Please leave the conversation on the list. I suspect many find it > relevant. > > Peggy Holman > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 7, 2023, at 12:32 PM, John Warinner via OSList <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Harold, > > Thanks for sharing your perspectives. > > Yes, the role of Participant-Facilitator is familiar to me and akin to > what I meant by Stakeholder-Spaceholder. Most of my activity with > OS/dialogue is also spent in that realm. > > I am sensitive to your question about the degree of interest of others in > this dialogue. > > I suggested to Tony Budak that we may want to utilize his weekly Learning > Cafe platform to provide those interested with a live, interactive dialogue > on this topic. > > Please let me know if you are aware of any other options for taking this > conversation off-line out of respect for the OSList members who are not > interested to observe and/or participate. > > Thank you, > JohnW > > > On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 11:41 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> Thanks for the reply. The stakeholder/spaceholder divide for me has >> always been an interesting one. Especially since it never sat well with me. >> When I'm being paid as a spaceholder, which I have been paid, and >> professional facilitation is often the context then the divide makes sense. >> But it's not where most of my passion about Open Space fits. >> >> Have you heard of the role of Participant-Facilitator? >> >> I learned this concept from a Peacemaking Circle training, which comes >> from a first nations tribe of northern Canada. It's essential very much >> related to what many if not most of the north American tribes have shown us >> with the idea of a talking stick in a circle, giving space for everyone to >> participate. This idea "healed" the divide for me, giving the space holder >> a non-privileged role in the space where the facilitator does participate >> as well as inviting (rather than controlling) the self-organizing >> structures that the participants get to enjoy. >> >> I'm not sure how interested others are in this conversation. Mostly >> people on this list focus on helping deconstruct the dysfunctional control >> fantasy of traditional leadership/ownership *control*, while needing to >> engage with traditional leadership. I'm not sure this is the biggest issue >> in many emerging communities and organizations. >> >> >> Harold >> >> On 5/6/23 4:18 PM, John Warinner via OSList wrote: >> >> Thank you Harold. I think you raise a key point regarding the respective >> roles of "stakeholders" (my word) and "spaceholders" (my take on your >> word). >> >> Sometimes, we participate in a space or system at the invitation of the >> "stakeholders" wearing only our "spaceholder" hat. In those instances, I >> perceive the lines between roles are relatively clear. >> >> Sometimes, we participate in a space or system in which we are >> "stakeholders" AND "spaceholders." In those instances, I perceive the >> lines between roles are less clear... and they must be navigated carefully >> to maintain objectivity and the trust of the other participants. >> >> I understand the argument that we can and/or should avoid playing the >> "spaceholder" role in spaces/systems where we are "stakeholders." >> >> But my personal worldview is that we are better served to acknowledge our >> "stakeholdership" and practice/learn the art of serving both roles while >> maintaining our objectivity and the trust of others. >> >> Depending on the circumstances, this MAY NOT involve introducing our own >> ideas of where and how the system SHOULD proceed, but it MAY WELL involve >> introducing our unique ideas/insights about where and how the system COULD >> proceed. >> >> I believe this is consistent with the perspective you shared... but I >> welcome feedback from you and/or others. >> >> Thank you, >> JohnW >> >> >> *John Warinner *(541) 815-4103 >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -- >> Harold Shinsato >> [email protected] >> https://shinsato.com >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> > -- > > *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 > [email protected] <[email protected]> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > >
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