Hi John and Harold

I love this conversation and I love for it to stay here. We are a few
people here who can form a nexus of caring about this topic. It is a
recurring topic for me as it is the role that I usually seek for my
interests.

The role of Participant-Facilitator



On Sun, 7 May 2023, 19:31 John Warinner via OSList, <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi Harold,
>
> Thanks for sharing your perspectives.
>
> Yes, the role of Participant-Facilitator is familiar to me and akin to
> what I meant by Stakeholder-Spaceholder.  Most of my activity with
> OS/dialogue is also spent in that realm.
>
> I am sensitive to your question about the degree of interest of others in
> this dialogue.
>
> I suggested to Tony Budak that we may want to utilize his weekly Learning
> Cafe platform to provide those interested with a live, interactive dialogue
> on this topic.
>
> Please let me know if you are aware of any other options for taking this
> conversation off-line out of respect for the OSList members who are not
> interested to observe and/or participate.
>
> Thank you,
> JohnW
>
>
> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 11:41 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. The stakeholder/spaceholder divide for me has
>> always been an interesting one. Especially since it never sat well with me.
>> When I'm being paid as a spaceholder, which I have been paid, and
>> professional facilitation is often the context then the divide makes sense.
>> But it's not where most of my passion about Open Space fits.
>>
>> Have you heard of the role of Participant-Facilitator?
>>
>> I learned this concept from a Peacemaking Circle training, which comes
>> from a first nations tribe of northern Canada. It's essential very much
>> related to what many if not most of the north American tribes have shown us
>> with the idea of a talking stick in a circle, giving space for everyone to
>> participate. This idea "healed" the divide for me, giving the space holder
>> a non-privileged role in the space where the facilitator does participate
>> as well as inviting (rather than controlling) the self-organizing
>> structures that the participants get to enjoy.
>>
>> I'm not sure how interested others are in this conversation. Mostly
>> people on this list focus on helping deconstruct the dysfunctional control
>> fantasy of traditional leadership/ownership *control*, while needing to
>> engage with traditional leadership. I'm not sure this is the biggest issue
>> in many emerging communities and organizations.
>>
>>
>>     Harold
>>
>> On 5/6/23 4:18 PM, John Warinner via OSList wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Harold.  I think you raise a key point regarding the respective
>> roles of "stakeholders" (my word) and "spaceholders" (my take on your
>> word).
>>
>> Sometimes, we participate in a space or system at the invitation of the
>> "stakeholders" wearing only our "spaceholder" hat.  In those instances, I
>> perceive the lines between roles are relatively clear.
>>
>> Sometimes, we participate in a space or system in which we are
>> "stakeholders" AND "spaceholders."  In those instances, I perceive the
>> lines between roles are less clear... and they must be navigated carefully
>> to maintain objectivity and the trust of the other participants.
>>
>> I understand the argument that we can and/or should avoid playing the
>> "spaceholder" role in spaces/systems where we are "stakeholders."
>>
>> But my personal worldview is that we are better served to acknowledge our
>> "stakeholdership" and practice/learn the art of serving both roles while
>> maintaining our objectivity and the trust of others.
>>
>> Depending on the circumstances, this MAY NOT involve introducing our own
>> ideas of where and how the system SHOULD proceed, but it MAY WELL involve
>> introducing our unique ideas/insights about where and how the system COULD
>> proceed.
>>
>> I believe this is consistent with the perspective you shared... but I
>> welcome feedback from you and/or others.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> JohnW
>>
>>
>> *John Warinner *(541) 815-4103
>> [email protected]
>>
>>
>>
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