This conversation brings my thoughts to the facilitator/sponsor divide and the role of the participant. When I initiate something I feel myself as in the role of a sponsor, than I can act as a facilitator for the sponsored theme while at the same time embodying the theme as the sponsor and the space as the facilitator. To venture forward and also participate is at the risk of loosing some of the embodiment of the other servises that I am holding in my presence.
What are the tricks and structures for this to be more successful? On Mon, 8 May 2023, 20:57 John Warinner, <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Kari. I appreciate your feedback. > > I appreciate the forum and opportunity to share my perspective. > > I will leave the space open and welcome others to share their perspectives. > > Thank you, > JohnW > > > *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 > [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 1:35 PM Kári Gunnarsson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi John and Harold >> >> I love this conversation and I love for it to stay here. We are a few >> people here who can form a nexus of caring about this topic. It is a >> recurring topic for me as it is the role that I usually seek for my >> interests. >> >> The role of Participant-Facilitator >> >> >> >> On Sun, 7 May 2023, 19:31 John Warinner via OSList, <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Harold, >>> >>> Thanks for sharing your perspectives. >>> >>> Yes, the role of Participant-Facilitator is familiar to me and akin to >>> what I meant by Stakeholder-Spaceholder. Most of my activity with >>> OS/dialogue is also spent in that realm. >>> >>> I am sensitive to your question about the degree of interest of others >>> in this dialogue. >>> >>> I suggested to Tony Budak that we may want to utilize his weekly >>> Learning Cafe platform to provide those interested with a live, interactive >>> dialogue on this topic. >>> >>> Please let me know if you are aware of any other options for taking this >>> conversation off-line out of respect for the OSList members who are not >>> interested to observe and/or participate. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> JohnW >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 11:41 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi John, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the reply. The stakeholder/spaceholder divide for me has >>>> always been an interesting one. Especially since it never sat well with me. >>>> When I'm being paid as a spaceholder, which I have been paid, and >>>> professional facilitation is often the context then the divide makes sense. >>>> But it's not where most of my passion about Open Space fits. >>>> >>>> Have you heard of the role of Participant-Facilitator? >>>> >>>> I learned this concept from a Peacemaking Circle training, which comes >>>> from a first nations tribe of northern Canada. It's essential very much >>>> related to what many if not most of the north American tribes have shown us >>>> with the idea of a talking stick in a circle, giving space for everyone to >>>> participate. This idea "healed" the divide for me, giving the space holder >>>> a non-privileged role in the space where the facilitator does participate >>>> as well as inviting (rather than controlling) the self-organizing >>>> structures that the participants get to enjoy. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure how interested others are in this conversation. Mostly >>>> people on this list focus on helping deconstruct the dysfunctional control >>>> fantasy of traditional leadership/ownership *control*, while needing to >>>> engage with traditional leadership. I'm not sure this is the biggest issue >>>> in many emerging communities and organizations. >>>> >>>> >>>> Harold >>>> >>>> On 5/6/23 4:18 PM, John Warinner via OSList wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you Harold. I think you raise a key point regarding the >>>> respective roles of "stakeholders" (my word) and "spaceholders" (my take on >>>> your word). >>>> >>>> Sometimes, we participate in a space or system at the invitation of the >>>> "stakeholders" wearing only our "spaceholder" hat. In those instances, I >>>> perceive the lines between roles are relatively clear. >>>> >>>> Sometimes, we participate in a space or system in which we are >>>> "stakeholders" AND "spaceholders." In those instances, I perceive the >>>> lines between roles are less clear... and they must be navigated carefully >>>> to maintain objectivity and the trust of the other participants. >>>> >>>> I understand the argument that we can and/or should avoid playing the >>>> "spaceholder" role in spaces/systems where we are "stakeholders." >>>> >>>> But my personal worldview is that we are better served to acknowledge >>>> our "stakeholdership" and practice/learn the art of serving both roles >>>> while maintaining our objectivity and the trust of others. >>>> >>>> Depending on the circumstances, this MAY NOT involve introducing our >>>> own ideas of where and how the system SHOULD proceed, but it MAY WELL >>>> involve introducing our unique ideas/insights about where and how the >>>> system COULD proceed. >>>> >>>> I believe this is consistent with the perspective you shared... but I >>>> welcome feedback from you and/or others. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> JohnW >>>> >>>> >>>> *John Warinner *(541) 815-4103 >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Harold Shinsato >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://shinsato.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 >>> [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >>
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