Thank you Kari. I appreciate your feedback. I appreciate the forum and opportunity to share my perspective.
I will leave the space open and welcome others to share their perspectives. Thank you, JohnW *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 [email protected] <[email protected]> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 1:35 PM Kári Gunnarsson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John and Harold > > I love this conversation and I love for it to stay here. We are a few > people here who can form a nexus of caring about this topic. It is a > recurring topic for me as it is the role that I usually seek for my > interests. > > The role of Participant-Facilitator > > > > On Sun, 7 May 2023, 19:31 John Warinner via OSList, <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Hi Harold, >> >> Thanks for sharing your perspectives. >> >> Yes, the role of Participant-Facilitator is familiar to me and akin to >> what I meant by Stakeholder-Spaceholder. Most of my activity with >> OS/dialogue is also spent in that realm. >> >> I am sensitive to your question about the degree of interest of others in >> this dialogue. >> >> I suggested to Tony Budak that we may want to utilize his weekly Learning >> Cafe platform to provide those interested with a live, interactive dialogue >> on this topic. >> >> Please let me know if you are aware of any other options for taking this >> conversation off-line out of respect for the OSList members who are not >> interested to observe and/or participate. >> >> Thank you, >> JohnW >> >> >> On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 11:41 AM Harold Shinsato via OSList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> Thanks for the reply. The stakeholder/spaceholder divide for me has >>> always been an interesting one. Especially since it never sat well with me. >>> When I'm being paid as a spaceholder, which I have been paid, and >>> professional facilitation is often the context then the divide makes sense. >>> But it's not where most of my passion about Open Space fits. >>> >>> Have you heard of the role of Participant-Facilitator? >>> >>> I learned this concept from a Peacemaking Circle training, which comes >>> from a first nations tribe of northern Canada. It's essential very much >>> related to what many if not most of the north American tribes have shown us >>> with the idea of a talking stick in a circle, giving space for everyone to >>> participate. This idea "healed" the divide for me, giving the space holder >>> a non-privileged role in the space where the facilitator does participate >>> as well as inviting (rather than controlling) the self-organizing >>> structures that the participants get to enjoy. >>> >>> I'm not sure how interested others are in this conversation. Mostly >>> people on this list focus on helping deconstruct the dysfunctional control >>> fantasy of traditional leadership/ownership *control*, while needing to >>> engage with traditional leadership. I'm not sure this is the biggest issue >>> in many emerging communities and organizations. >>> >>> >>> Harold >>> >>> On 5/6/23 4:18 PM, John Warinner via OSList wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Harold. I think you raise a key point regarding the >>> respective roles of "stakeholders" (my word) and "spaceholders" (my take on >>> your word). >>> >>> Sometimes, we participate in a space or system at the invitation of the >>> "stakeholders" wearing only our "spaceholder" hat. In those instances, I >>> perceive the lines between roles are relatively clear. >>> >>> Sometimes, we participate in a space or system in which we are >>> "stakeholders" AND "spaceholders." In those instances, I perceive the >>> lines between roles are less clear... and they must be navigated carefully >>> to maintain objectivity and the trust of the other participants. >>> >>> I understand the argument that we can and/or should avoid playing the >>> "spaceholder" role in spaces/systems where we are "stakeholders." >>> >>> But my personal worldview is that we are better served to acknowledge >>> our "stakeholdership" and practice/learn the art of serving both roles >>> while maintaining our objectivity and the trust of others. >>> >>> Depending on the circumstances, this MAY NOT involve introducing our own >>> ideas of where and how the system SHOULD proceed, but it MAY WELL involve >>> introducing our unique ideas/insights about where and how the system COULD >>> proceed. >>> >>> I believe this is consistent with the perspective you shared... but I >>> welcome feedback from you and/or others. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> JohnW >>> >>> >>> *John Warinner *(541) 815-4103 >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Harold Shinsato >>> [email protected] >>> https://shinsato.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> >> -- >> >> *John Warinner*(541) 815-4103 >> [email protected] <[email protected]> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >
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