It works because no observer can possibly see the whole of the
Plenitude, only subsets. The subsets do contain information.

Of course, people who believe in an omniscient God will have trouble
with this :).

                                        Cheers

Stephen Paul King wrote:
> 
> Dear Eric,
> 
>     I like your idea! But how do we reconsile your notion with the notion
> expressed by Russell:
> 
> > From: "Russell Standish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: not-sets, not-gates, and the universe
> >
> > > There is no problem is saying that all computations exist in
> > > "platonia" (or the plenitude). This is a zero information set, and
> > > requires no further explanation.
> > >
> 
>     One definition of "information" is a "difference that makes a
> difference". If we take the "substrate" to be the "capacity for there to be
> difference" as you propose we obviously can not consider Platonia or the
> "Plenitude" do be it. If we take these two ideas seriously, is there any way
> that we can have both?
> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Stephen
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Hawthorne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: The universe consists of patterns of arrangement of 0's and
> 1's?
> 
> 
> > As I mentioned in an earlier post, titled "quantum computational
> cosmology"
> > why don't we assume/guess that the substrate (the fundamental concept of
> > the
> > universe or multiverse) is simply a capacity for there to be difference,
> > but also,
> > a capacity for all possible differences  (and thus necessarily all
> possible
> > configurations of differences) to "potentially exist".
> >
> > If we assume that all possible configurations of differences can
> > "potentially exist"
> > and that that unexplained property (i.e. the capacity to manifest any
> > configuration of
> > differences) is THE nature of the substrate, then
> > a computation can just be defined as a sequence of states selected from
> all
> > of the potential difference-configurations inherent in the substrate.
> >
> > I don't even think that this notion of a computation requires energy to
> > do the
> > information processing.
> >
> > My main notion in the earlier post was that some selections of a sequence
> > of the substrate's "potential states" will corresponds to order-producing
> > computations (computations which produce emergent structure, systems,
> > behaviour etc).
> >
> > Such an order-producing sequence of substrate potential-states might be
> > considered to be "the observable universe" (because the order generation
> > in that sequence was adequate to produce complex systems good enough
> > to be sentient observers of the other parts of that state-sequence).
> >
> > If we number the states in that selected order-producing sequence of
> > substrate
> > states from the first-selected state to the last-selected state, we have
> > a numbering
> > which corresponds to the direction of the time arrow in that observable
> > universe.
> >
> > My intuition is that the "potential-states" (i.e. potentially existing
> > configurations of
> > differences) of the substrate may correspond to quantum states and
> > configurations
> > of quantum entanglement, and that "selection" of meaningful or
> > observable sequences
> > of potential states corresponds to decoherence of quantum states into
> > classical
> > states.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Stephen Paul King wrote:
> >
> > >It is the assumption that the 0's and 1's can exist without some
> substrate that bothers me. If we insist on making such an assuption, how can
> we even have a notion of distinguishability between a 0 and a 1?.
> > >    To me, its analogous to claiming that Mody Dick "exists" but there
> does not exists any copies of it. If we are going to claim that "all
> possible computations" exists, then why is it problematic to imagine
> > >
> > >that "all
> > >possible implementations of computations" exists as well. Hardware is not
> an
> > >"epiphenomena" of software nor software an "epiphenomena" of hardware,
> they
> > >are very different and yet interdependent entities.
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 



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