----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Standish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:16 AM Subject: Re: Reality, the bogus nature of the Turing test
> (upon Bruno's question)... >To be more precise, I identify Nothing with > undifferentiated form, a bit like the Chaos of the ancient Greeks. > To be even more precise, I identify it with the zero information >object, or the set of all strings. Any person's experience is >obtained by differentiating - selecting something from that "nothing". > > The relationship between this zero information object, and > arithmetical platonia is a bit unclear, but I would say that anything > constructible (Sigma_1) must be extractable from the zero >information object. In my narrative for a substitute Big Bang I called the originating zero-info-'object' Plenitude, as I realize from your words (thank you) it is close to the Old Greek Chaos. In that narrative Universes occur by 'differentiating - selecting something from that "nothing" (RSt). Information, observables. I had to give in to critics about the 'zero information' because it was said that "having no information emanating from it" IS information. Also my claims on infinite symmetry - dynamic invariance and what you say 'the set of all strings' (I called it an unlimited content of everything) was deemed 'information'. I defended my position by saying that I want to state as little about this unattainable 'object' as possible, it is only a starting point with more common sense relevance than the quantum science related expressionS applied in the narratives of the physical cosmology. A silly question: you wrote: >Any person's experience is >obtained by differentiating - selecting >something from that "nothing". What makes 'that nothing' available to "persons"? is it not also available to a computer? in which case computers may have unlimited consciousness (whatever we call under that name). John M > >... > Cheers > > > > > > -- > *PS: A number of people ask me about the attachment to my email, which > is of type "application/pgp-signature". Don't worry, it is not a > virus. It is an electronic signature, that may be used to verify this > email came from me if you have PGP or GPG installed. Otherwise, you > may safely ignore this attachment. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > A/Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Mathematics > UNSW SYDNEY 2052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Australia http://parallel.hpc.unsw.edu.au/rks > International prefix +612, Interstate prefix 02 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.6/453 - Release Date: 09/20/06 > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---