Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Le 30-oct.-06, à 14:15, Stathis Papaioannou wrote (in part):
> > A computationalist would add that a computer analogue
> > of a person would also have the same mental states, but this is more
> > controversial.
> Is it really? With the notable couragous exception of Penrose I don't
> know people who object to comp.
Hardly anyone thinks it is a good explanation of phenomenality/qualia.
Computationalists tend to be people who care a lot more about
thinking than feeeling.
> Of course someone like Searle could gives the feeling that he dislike
> comp, but its own reasoning, if you read it carefully, proves that he
> accept comp, albeit only for low substitution level unlike most
Another staunch opponent is Edelmann.
'The notion that the brain is a kind of computer is an error of such
magnitude, Mr. Edelman believes,
that cognitive science is on the brink of a crisis. "I claim," he
writes, "that the entire structure on which
the cognitivist enterprise is based is incoherent and not borne out by
> Now as you know comp is my working hypothesis so this is for me just a
> bit out of my topic. Remember that for postulating "not-comp" you have
> to introduce high infinities in the third person description of the
No you don't. You can posit that phenomenality inheres directly
in matter, or that matter otherwise pins downs an absolute
level of simulation.
> In particular you have to abandon QM, or any theory ever
> proposed in physics and cognitive science.
No theory of physics entails that simulations will have
all the features -- other than functional/structural
ones -- of the systems simulated.
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