Bruno Marchal skrev:
> Le 28-nov.-07, à 09:56, Torgny Tholerus a écrit :
> You only need models of cellular automata. If you have a model
> and rules for that model, then one event will follow after another
> event, according to the rules. And after that event will follow
> another more event, and so on unlimited. The events will follow
> after eachother even if you will not have any implementation of
> this model. Any physics is not needed. You don't need any
> geometric properties.
> In this model you may have a person called Torgny writing a
> message on a google group, and that event may be followed by a
> person called Marc writing a reply to this message. And you don't
> need any implementation of that model.
> OK. Do you agree now that the "real Torgny", by which I mean you from
> your first person point of view, cannot known if it belongs to a state
> generated by automata 345 or automata 6756, or automata 6756690003121,
> or automata 65656700234676611084899 , and so one ...
> Do you agree we have to take into account this first person
> indeterminacy when making a first person prediction?
I agree that the "real Torgny" belongs to exactly one of those automata,
but I don't know which one. So I can not tell what will happen to the
"real Torgny" in the future. I can not do any prediction.
If we call the automata that the "real Torgny" belongs to, for automata
X, then I can look at automata X from the outside, and I will then see
that all that the "real Torgny" will do in the future is completely
determined. There is no indeterminacy in automata X.
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