Bruno Marchal wrote:
> On 17 Aug 2009, at 22:41, Flammarion wrote:
>> On 17 Aug, 14:46, Jesse Mazer <> wrote:
>>> 1Z wrote:
>>>>> But those space-time configuration are themselves described by
>>>>> mathematical functions far more complex that the numbers  
>>>>> described or
>>>>> explain.
>>> But what is this "primary matter"? If it is entirely divorced from  
>>> all the evidence from physics that various abstract mathematical  
>>> models of particles and fields can be used to make accurate  
>>> predictions about observed experimental results, then it becomes  
>>> something utterly mysterious and divorced from any of our empirical  
>>> experiences whatsoever (since all of our intuitions regarding  
>>> 'matter' are based solely on our empirical experiences with how it  
>>> *behaves* in the sensory realm, and the abstract mathematical  
>>> models give perfectly accurate predictions about this behavior).
>> Primary matter is very much related to the fact that some theories of
>> physics work and other do not. It won't tell you which ones work, but
>> it will tell you why there is a difference. It solves the white rabbit
>> problem.
> QM mechanics solves mathematically the white rabbit problem. I do  
> agree with this, but to say it does this by invoking primitive matter  
> does not follow. On the contrary QM amplitude makes primitive matter  
> still more hard to figure out. Primitive matter is, up to now, a  
> metaphysical notion. Darwinian evolution can justify why we take  
> seriously the consistency of our neighborhood, and why we extrapolate  
> that consistency, but physicists does not, in their theories, ever  
> postulate *primitive* matter.

Not explicitly, but physicists generally accept that some things happen and 
others don't; 
not only in QM but in symmetry breaking.


>> We don't see logically consistent but otherwise bizarre
>> universes because they are immaterial and non-existent--not matter
>> instantiates
>> that particualar amtehamtical structure.
> Are you defending Bohm's Quantum Mechanics? The wave without particles  
> still act physically, indeed they have to do that for the quantum  
> disappearance of the white rabbits.
> Bruno
> > 

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