Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 17 Aug 2009, at 22:41, Flammarion wrote: > >> >> >> On 17 Aug, 14:46, Jesse Mazer <laserma...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> 1Z wrote: >>>>> But those space-time configuration are themselves described by >>>>> mathematical functions far more complex that the numbers >>>>> described or >>>>> explain. >>> But what is this "primary matter"? If it is entirely divorced from >>> all the evidence from physics that various abstract mathematical >>> models of particles and fields can be used to make accurate >>> predictions about observed experimental results, then it becomes >>> something utterly mysterious and divorced from any of our empirical >>> experiences whatsoever (since all of our intuitions regarding >>> 'matter' are based solely on our empirical experiences with how it >>> *behaves* in the sensory realm, and the abstract mathematical >>> models give perfectly accurate predictions about this behavior). >> Primary matter is very much related to the fact that some theories of >> physics work and other do not. It won't tell you which ones work, but >> it will tell you why there is a difference. It solves the white rabbit >> problem. > > QM mechanics solves mathematically the white rabbit problem. I do > agree with this, but to say it does this by invoking primitive matter > does not follow. On the contrary QM amplitude makes primitive matter > still more hard to figure out. Primitive matter is, up to now, a > metaphysical notion. Darwinian evolution can justify why we take > seriously the consistency of our neighborhood, and why we extrapolate > that consistency, but physicists does not, in their theories, ever > postulate *primitive* matter.
Not explicitly, but physicists generally accept that some things happen and others don't; not only in QM but in symmetry breaking. Brent > > >> We don't see logically consistent but otherwise bizarre >> universes because they are immaterial and non-existent--not matter >> instantiates >> that particualar amtehamtical structure. > > Are you defending Bohm's Quantum Mechanics? The wave without particles > still act physically, indeed they have to do that for the quantum > disappearance of the white rabbits. > > Bruno > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
