On 19 Sep, 07:34, Evgenii Rudnyi <use...@rudnyi.ru> wrote: > on 18.09.2010 23:35 Brent Meeker said the following: > > > > > On 9/18/2010 12:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >> on 18.09.2010 21:09 Brent Meeker said the following: > >>> On 9/18/2010 9:20 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >>>> on 18.09.2010 18:08 1Z said the following: > > >>>> ... > > >>>>>> By the way, about the water. The difference between H, O > >>>>>> and H2O is in chemical bonds in H2O. > > >>>>> such bonds can be considered basic elements of reality, too > > >>>> I am not sure if I understand your answer. Say we have H2 and > >>>> O2 at room temperature in some enclosure. Then we put a > >>>> catalyst there and if the enclosure is strong enough, then we > >>>> obtain there water, H20. The question is then what happened > >>>> with bonds in H2 and O2 and where from come new bonds in H20? > >>>> The bonds in H2, 02 and H20 are completely different from each > >>>> other. > > >>> Why do you think they are completely different? They are just > >>> local energy minima in the wave functions of the outer > >>> electrons. > > >> It could be that the word completely is not quite right. Sure they > >> are similar in respect that this is an interplay between nuclei and > >> electrons. Yet, what I have meant, that their properties are quite > >> different. Say the OO bond in O2 and the HH bond in H2 are not the > >> same. This also concerns H0 bonds in HOH. > > > But they are "the same" at the level of QED, i.e. they are described > > by the same theory and in fact exist in a superposition of the states > > 2H20 <--> 2H2 + O2. > > You forget here about level of designing drugs and new materials. Can a > physicist specialized in QED do it? I guess no, here one has to hire a > chemist.
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