On 09 May 2011, at 18:21, meekerdb wrote:

On 5/9/2011 5:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

in that I usually have some memory of what I was dreaming once I awake that I can encode in using symbols for communications to others. It could be that the reported difficulty of becoming aware of the truth that one is dreaming, while one is in fact dreaming, is an answer.

This is not so difficult. There are books explaining how to train oneself to become lucid in dreams. I don't see the relevance to the point, though.

But are there books explaining how to train oneself to realize you are dreaming when you are awake. :-)

All good books on philosophy or religion should do that. "Alice in Wonderland" might be the best :)

Some school are more explicit, like the indian yogavasistha, which contains many tales with dreams within dreams within dreams ... (a theme touched in the movie "inception"). A very nice book on this is the book by Wendy Doniger O' Flaherty "Dreams, Illusion and Other Realities", Chicago Press, 1984).

Then some plant can help to do exactly that. A common "hallucination" with salvia is that you wake up and understand that your entire life was an hallucination or a video-game of some sort. It is called the game-over effect. You feel really like having taken the red pill. It is an *amazing* experience, but it is better to do this when sick and despair than the day before your marriage, I think. Then when you come back, you forget this, or disbelieve in it, and dream again. We are so sleepy ...



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