On 9/15/2011 12:20 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 9/15/2011 9:08 PM meekerdb said the following:
On 9/15/2011 11:40 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
I personally do not see a difference in this respect between a
cell, for example, and a robot. On my hierarchy list
http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2011/01/perception-feedback-and-qualia.html
a bacteria is closer to a ballcock than a Big Dog. I would say that
Big Dog actually already even more advanced than a bacteria.
Not until Big Dog can get it's own fuel and produce Little Dogs.
Yes, but I have meant perception only. Well, one could say that a bacteria perceives
that it is time to divide and Big Dog cannot perceive something like this. In my current
world view however "a bacteria divides" is closer to a ballcock that closes the water. I
mean that division of a bacteria is probably based on some feedback mechanism as well.
Here though there is an interesting question. After all, one can implement a PID
controller with analog electronics, so this way it is very close to a ballcock as well.
Hence when I state that Big Dog more advanced there is some contradiction indeed, as
finally it is just a collections of feedback mechanisms. Or digital processing as such
gives us something new as compared with a ballcock?
Evgenii
Producing Little Dogs is not just a test of complexity. Evolution teaches us that it is
the fundamental source of all value. An organism must value what aids growth and
reproduction. Organisms that don't cease to exist. We humans tend to lose sight of this
because culture provides so many layers to be manipulated. But even language and reason
may have evolved as a way of talking your sweetheart into bed.
Brent
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