On 28 Dec 2011, at 21:57, meekerdb wrote:

On 12/28/2011 12:29 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
I have attended a class

Introduction to AI
http://www.ai-class.com

and there are two interesting videos from it about self-driving cars:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_BJUBpuvFE

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqDvbguZsAA

I have no idea if this are Lobian machines or not (such a term has not been mentioned in the class, it looks like that engineers unaware of it). Yet I guess it is a good object to discuss what is perception, qualia, conscious, etc.

Another question would be if such a car could be considered as an observer in quantum

I don't know whether it's a Lobian machine or not; I guess that depends on its program. But I'm pretty sure that being a big macroscopic thing with lots of degrees of freedom and interaction with the environment it will "collapse" wave functions.

Yes. From its first person point of view. It is a good idea to put "collapse" in quotes. But I am not sure it needs to be macroscopic for "collapsing" the wave. It needs to be macroscopic only for making a de- collapsing impossible in practice. If information leaked to much in the environment, we can no more erase it, and get back to the initial pure state. But if QM is correct, even a black hole cannot erase information, and that seems to explain some observable black hole feature.

Bruno

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/



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