On 31.12.2011 22:05 meekerdb said the following:
On 12/31/2011 6:07 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
So a self-driving car is probably much more close to have a
first person view than a rock, especially if you make it possible
for the car to memorize its short term instances of computation
(sensing, planning, etc.) into a "long scenario involving
Good point. Thanks Bruno. A self-driving car does have an estimate
of its current state and then it updates it both internally and
based on external measurements. It also makes some planning, soft
of what to do next.
Yet, if we consider a self-driving car and a rock from the
viewpoint of physicalism (or could be even better atomism), then
the difference will be much more difficult to find. After all there
are in both cases interacting electrons and nuclei (well probably
some electromagnetic waves as well) and nothing more.
That kind of "nothing buttery" applies to all explanations because
any real explanation is in terms of simpler things and relations. You
could as well say Bruno's explanation is nothing but arithmetic.
Well, I guess, it is still an interesting question. Let us take for
example the next sequence
A rock - a ballcock in a toilet - a PID controller in a thermostat - a
What is the difference from the viewpoint of atomism? If you know some
speculations in this direction, I would really appreciate a link, as
this question puzzles me now.
It well might be that a good answer could help us to understand what for
example supervenience is. Otherwise, it is for me just a buzzword like
I agree, this concerns Bruno theorem as well. It would be nice to learn
what is the difference along this sequence from Bruno's viewpoint as
well. Well, probably some difference here in this respect is a diary.
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