On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote:
> On 1/31/2012 12:48 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> 2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> >> >>> On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > 2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> >>> > >>> > > When we close our eyes, we still see visual noise, even in total >>> > > darkness. If qualia were based on computation, we should expect that >>> > > no sensory input should equate to total blackness, since there is no >>> > > information to report. >>> > >>> > ?????? >>> > >>> > WTF ? >>> >>> Visual silence is easily represented. Why the superfluous light show? >>> >> >> Nothing is easily represented... why something ? Have you more stupid >> though to discuss in your pocket ? >> > > I am debating with myself the matter of whether or not Craig is a troll. > > He commits the cardinal sin of not being willing to learn the basic > ideas of a realm of discourse, before trying to demonstrate important > results in that realm. I tried talking to him a couple of times but he > refused to meet me halfway by understanding the real meaning of rigorous > terms like computation. He has surely spent enough time on this list to > have at least some grasp of, say, what COMP actually says, but he shows no > evidence of it. I can only chalk this up to laziness. Worse, much of his > writing reads like one of these generative postmodernist > essays<http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/>. > I am tempted to give him the Baez treatment, but I don't want to fan the > flames. > > >> >> > Hi, > > In Craig's defense I would like to point out that however trolling or > postmodernist you might see his ideas, he is trying hard to think outside > of the box that you guys are gyrating in like the ball in a game of Pong. > How does science advance unless people are willing to contemplate > alternative ideas? > First of all, I do not think Craig *intends *to come off as a troll or a postmodernist. I agree with your point about thinking outside the box, but barring some astronomically improbable stroke of luck, it would be necessary for Craig to *understand what he is criticizing *before he could actually make useful progress away from it. Surely this is not an unreasonable demand? > > Onward! > > Stephen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- Joseph Knight -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.