On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Stephen P. King <stephe...@charter.net>wrote:
> On 1/31/2012 12:48 PM, Joseph Knight wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> 2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
>>> On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > 2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
>>> > > When we close our eyes, we still see visual noise, even in total
>>> > > darkness. If qualia were based on computation, we should expect that
>>> > > no sensory input should equate to total blackness, since there is no
>>> > > information to report.
>>> > ??????
>>> > WTF ?
>>> Visual silence is easily represented. Why the superfluous light show?
>> Nothing is easily represented... why something ? Have you more stupid
>> though to discuss in your pocket ?
> I am debating with myself the matter of whether or not Craig is a troll.
> He commits the cardinal sin of not being willing to learn the basic
> ideas of a realm of discourse, before trying to demonstrate important
> results in that realm. I tried talking to him a couple of times but he
> refused to meet me halfway by understanding the real meaning of rigorous
> terms like computation. He has surely spent enough time on this list to
> have at least some grasp of, say, what COMP actually says, but he shows no
> evidence of it. I can only chalk this up to laziness. Worse, much of his
> writing reads like one of these generative postmodernist
> I am tempted to give him the Baez treatment, but I don't want to fan the
> In Craig's defense I would like to point out that however trolling or
> postmodernist you might see his ideas, he is trying hard to think outside
> of the box that you guys are gyrating in like the ball in a game of Pong.
> How does science advance unless people are willing to contemplate
> alternative ideas?
First of all, I do not think Craig *intends *to come off as a troll or a
I agree with your point about thinking outside the box, but barring some
astronomically improbable stroke of luck, it would be necessary for Craig
to *understand what he is criticizing *before he could actually make useful
progress away from it. Surely this is not an unreasonable demand?
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