A properly "trained" neural network does pattern recognition; why not pattern 
creation?  I don't see artistic genius as requiring the notion of free will.  
Scientific genius is just more pattern recognition, isn't it?

Gandalph
On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:00 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

> On Feb 7, 6:31 pm, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I wrote it several times before and write it again: there is NO SUCH THING
>> as a FREE WILL in a world of total interconnectedness and continual change.
>> The term has been invented by religious potentates to keep gulligible
>> people under their thumb for FEAR of repraisals if they
>> committ "CRIMES" (as they identified). Gullible people believed it
>> including physicists who tried to justify it in their math-ways - no matter
>> how.
>> To make a decision is either consciously dependent on the 'givens' (i.e.
>> circumstances as we see them, as compared to our situation - interest - or
>> possibilities) - OR - it is unconsciously so.
> 
> If it were completely dependent though, there would no experience of
> decision at all. I agree that nothing can be FREE in an absolute
> sense, but it can be free in a relative sense. This is why US law
> includes a continuum of possibilities of intention, like premeditated
> murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary
> manslaughter, criminally negligent manslaughter, and not guilty. Not
> to cite the law as some kind of authoritative canon, but to recognize
> the utility and civility of the concept.
> 
> ,
>> We can decide AGAINST our known interest or survival: that, too, is a
>> consequence of our conscious, or subconscious mindset. Nothing FREE.
> 
> Our will extends beyond mere decision making though. We can create new
> options. We can decide that we don't like the options and seek novel,
> ever conceived of before approaches. If artistic and scientific genius
> isn't an example of free will, what is the point of recognizing it?
> 
> Craig
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