On Feb 7, 6:31 pm, John Mikes <jami...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wrote it several times before and write it again: there is NO SUCH THING > as a FREE WILL in a world of total interconnectedness and continual change. > The term has been invented by religious potentates to keep gulligible > people under their thumb for FEAR of repraisals if they > committ "CRIMES" (as they identified). Gullible people believed it > including physicists who tried to justify it in their math-ways - no matter > how. > To make a decision is either consciously dependent on the 'givens' (i.e. > circumstances as we see them, as compared to our situation - interest - or > possibilities) - OR - it is unconsciously so.
If it were completely dependent though, there would no experience of decision at all. I agree that nothing can be FREE in an absolute sense, but it can be free in a relative sense. This is why US law includes a continuum of possibilities of intention, like premeditated murder, second degree murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, criminally negligent manslaughter, and not guilty. Not to cite the law as some kind of authoritative canon, but to recognize the utility and civility of the concept. , > We can decide AGAINST our known interest or survival: that, too, is a > consequence of our conscious, or subconscious mindset. Nothing FREE. Our will extends beyond mere decision making though. We can create new options. We can decide that we don't like the options and seek novel, ever conceived of before approaches. If artistic and scientific genius isn't an example of free will, what is the point of recognizing it? Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.