On 2/7/2012 4:11 PM, L.W. Sterritt wrote:
Isn't a "decision" just the result / output of a probably subconscious computation in
the neural network, given some exogenous and endogenous inputs ? Indeed the neural net
must do what it can with incomplete information, being mostly what there is. That is,
the nature of reality is unknown.
Yes, I wonder why Bruno says consciousness is the ability to make decisions with
incomplete information. All decisions are made with incomplete information, yet they are
almost all made unconsciously. As John Clark notes it is rare to know exactly why you
make a decision and when you do it lacks the feeling of 'free will'. If you could be
aware of your own decision processes at the 'substitution' level it seems it would entail
an infinite regress of awareness.
Brent
Gandalph
On Feb 7, 2012, at 3:31 PM, John Mikes wrote:
I wrote it several times before and write it again: there is NO SUCH THING as a FREE
WILL in a world of total interconnectedness and continual change. The term has been
invented by religious potentates to keep gulligible people under their thumb for FEAR
of repraisals if they
committ "CRIMES" (as they identified). Gullible people believed it including physicists
who tried to justify it in their math-ways - no matter how.
To make a decision is either consciously dependent on the 'givens' (i.e. circumstances
as we see them, as compared to our situation - interest - or possibilities) - OR - it
is unconsciously so.
We can decide AGAINST our known interest or survival: that, too, is a consequence of
our conscious, or subconscious mindset. Nothing FREE.
Bruno's: "...free-will as the ability to take decision in absence of complete
information..." is perfect: nobody CAN have PERFECT info.
We are living in a model of our ad hoc knowledge while the not yet received "rest of
the infinite complexity of the world" also influences our existence (decisions?) beyond
the portion we know of.
As is the rest of his reply.
John Mikes
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:12 AM, ronaldheld <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
arXiv:1202.0720v1 [physics.hist-ph]
Abstract
It is argued that it is possible to give operational meaning to free
will and
the process of making a choice without employing metaphysics.
comments?
Ronald
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