On Feb 10, 4:16 pm, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 10, 4:06 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Why simulated neurons couldn't have opinions at that same point ? > > Vitalism ? > > Yes, the only way Craig could be right is if vitalism is true, and its > pretty sad that well into the 21'st century some still believe in that > crap. What's next, bring back medieval alchemy?
Apparently what's next is imagining that machines are people and people are machines. We'll be imprisoning software soon I suppose. > > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > there is no such thing as absolute simulation, there is only imitation. > > So not only is a computer incapable of performing arithmetic you can't do > it either, all you can do is a pale imitation of arithmetic, so neither we > nor a computer can ever know how much 2 +2 is. What a computer does is arithmetic to us, but to the computer it's billions of separate electronic or mechanical events that signify nothing to it. It's no different from saying that CD player 'performs music'. We hear music, but the CD player hears nothing at all. Obviously. > And I've asked you before, > when you reply to this please don't send a imitation Email to the list, > nobody wants to see a mere simulation, send your REAL ORIGINAL EMAIL! The original email is my subjective experience of composing it, therefore it cannot be sent. What can be sent is neither a simulation nor an imitation but rather a completely separate semiotic text which can be used by human beings to communicate with other human beings who share a common language. The email server does not share that common language and cannot participate in the communication, even though it provides the communication channel. > Undoubtedly the only reason you haven't convinced everybody of your > brilliance is that we've only seen copies of you messages, we want the > originals. I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm brilliant, I'm explaining why the popular ideas and conventional wisdom of the moment are misguided. Craig -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
