On Apr 2, 3:03 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 2, 9:49 am, 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 14, 10:11 pm, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 14, 2:52 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > Compare: "If you had no immortal soul that would be judged after your 
> > > > death your belief
> > > > about it should have no effect on your religious behavior."  Beliefs 
> > > > can have effects
> > > > whether they have real referents  or not.
>
> > > False equivalence. Belief itself is inseparable from free will.
>
> > So you say.
>
> How do you suggest that it could be otherwise?

We could believe things as a result of deterministc processes. Where
is the
contradiction in that?

>
> > > because our beliefs influence our ability to execute our will and
> > > they are not deterministic if they can be intentionally manipulated by
> > > suggestion...
>
> > That's still a non sequitur
>
> What part of it doesn't make sense to you?

The bit where "can be manipulated" somehow means "not deterministic".

One deterministic process can manipulate another.

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