On 08.04.2012 09:04 meekerdb said the following:

On 4/7/2012 10:36 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:On 07.04.2012 22:16 meekerdb said the following:On 4/7/2012 5:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:

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More to this storyhttp://blog.rudnyi.ru/2012/04/god-as-a-cosmic-operator.html where there are results of my search in Google. The story seems to have a happy end. Yet if Newton were a deist, then we would not have the Newton laws.What? You think he would have discarded his law of universal gravitationif he had been a deist? Why wouldn't he have just concluded the solar system was unstable and would eventually be dispersed?"Ancient Babylonian records showed that the planetary system had been stable for a considerable time." "At any rate, there was a clash between the facts and Newton's law of gravitation used without additional assumptions."Actually not. Newton's gravity would have shown that it would have been sufficiently stable much longer than Babylonian times - if Newton had been able to solve the multi-body problem. It is solved numerically now using computers. Why do you suppose the solar system has been stable enough to be predictable over millions of years? Do you think general relativity is necessary to explain that? Brent

`I believe that we should consider Newton in his historical context. As`

`far as I have understood, because of not quite right empirical values`

`(masses, etc.) and/or because of low level of mathematics that was`

`available at his time, his use of his laws did not agree with`

`observations. Hence his use of God.`

`This also raises a question about mathematics that bothers me. If we`

`assume that mathematics (for example Newton's laws written as equations)`

`is the result of neuron spikes, then to me this whole story seems like a`

`wonder. For example, try to think about the history of Newton's laws`

`according to the quote from`

http://www.csc.twu.ca/byl/matter_math_god.pdf (the references are in pdf)

`"Materialists believe that mathematical objects exist only materially,`

`in our brains.[3] Mathematical objects are believed to correspond to`

`physical states of our brain and, as such, should ultimately be`

`explicable by neuroscience in terms of biochemical laws. Stanislas`

`Dehaene suggests that human brains come equipped at birth with an`

`innate, wired-in ability for mathematics.[4] He postulates that, through`

`evolution, the smallest integers (1, 2, 3 . . .) became hard-wired into`

`the human nervous system, along with a crude ability to add and`

`subtract. A similar position is defended by George Lakoff and Rafael`

`Nunez, who seek to explain mathematics as a system of metaphors that`

`ultimately derive from neural processes.[5] Penelope Maddy conjectures`

`that our nervous system contains higher order assemblies that correspond`

`to thoughts of particular sets.[6] She posits that our beliefs about`

`sets and other mathematical entities come, not from Platonic ideal`

`forms, but, rather, from certain physical events, such as the`

`development of pathways in neural systems. Such evolutionary`

`explanations seek to derive all our mathematical thoughts from purely`

`physical connections between neurons."`

Finally a good quote from the same paper

`"Bertrand Russell, certainly no friend of theism, concluded from his`

`study of the history of Greek philosophy that ‘‘Mathematics is . . . the`

`chief source of the belief in eternal and exact truth, as well as in a`

`supersensible intelligible world.’’".`

`This shows nicely that the mathematicians have been as a fifth column`

`all the time.`

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