On May 30, 4:36 pm, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
> > On May 29, 3:02 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You always put that level confusion on the table. You could expect to
> > have
> > > dinner in a virtual paris if you were in a virtual world. If you want an
> > > computational AI to interact with you, it must be able to control real
> > > world appendices that permits it to *interact* or likewise if it was in a
> > > virtual world, you should use a interface with this virtual world for you
> > > to interact.
> > > You can't expect level to be mixed without an interface and I don't see
> > any
> > > problem with that.
> > Why not? In a virtual world you could mix levels without an interface.
> No you can't, if in your virtual world, you made a real computer simulator,
> what runs in the simulator cannot escape in the upper virtual world unless
> you've made an interface to it.

You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are
smuggling in from our real world of physics. In a Church-Turing
Matrix, why would there be any kind of arbitrary level separation? The
whole point is that there is no fundamental difference between one
Turing emulation and another. Paris is a program.

> If not you aren't really doing multi level simulation (simulation in a
> simulation)... but a single level one where you made it look like multi
> level.
> Example: if you run a virtual machine (like virtual box) and you virtualize
> an OS and inside that one you run a virtual box that run another os inside
> it, the second level cannot go to the first level (as the first level can't
> reach the host) unless an interface between them exists.

No, you can. I can log into the root level on a hardware node - pick a
virtual machine on that node and log into it, open up a remote desktop
there and log back into the hardware node that the VM box is on if I
want. I can reboot the hardware machine from any nested level within
the node. There doesn't need to be an interface at all. They are all
running on the same physical hardware node.


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