2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
> On May 30, 6:09 pm, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are
> > > smuggling in from our real world of physics. In a Church-Turing
> > > Matrix, why would there be any kind of arbitrary level separation? The
> > > whole point is that there is no fundamental difference between one
> > > Turing emulation and another. Paris is a program.
> > A program is running on a machine... a program interact through interface
> > and that's the **only** way to interact.
> Huh? A program interacts with another program directly.
Yes ? Give me an example, the most basic interface is shared memory (and
eventually, any shared thing is done via memory access)... So give me a
program that can talk/share thing with another program without any
interface between them...
> There is no
> interface. It makes no difference to the OS of the HW node whether the
> program is running virtual Paris on the root level of the physical
> machine or virtual virtual Paris on one of the virtual machines.
Yes there is a difference, the paris running on a virtual machine has no
direct access (and can't know of it unless an interface exist) on the
> > > > If not you aren't really doing multi level simulation (simulation in
> > > > simulation)... but a single level one where you made it look like
> > > > level.
> > > > Example: if you run a virtual machine (like virtual box) and you
> > > virtualize
> > > > an OS and inside that one you run a virtual box that run another os
> > > inside
> > > > it, the second level cannot go to the first level (as the first level
> > > can't
> > > > reach the host) unless an interface between them exists.
> > > No, you can. I can log into the root level on a hardware node - pick a
> > > virtual machine on that node and log into it, open up a remote desktop
> > > there and log back into the hardware node that the VM box is on if I
> > > want. I can reboot the hardware machine from any nested level within
> > > the node. There doesn't need to be an interface at all. They are all
> > > running on the same physical hardware node.
> > Well you can't read "unless an interface between them exists."
> What interface are you talking about? I can make a million nested
> layers of virtual worlds and I can make it so the same virtual fire
> burns in all of them, with no interface required.
Well I know you do it through magic mushroom... but hey, that doesn't work.
> It would magically
> burn on command if I wanted it to. It's no problem at all unless I
> want it to burn outside of the root level - into the literal reality
> of time-space-matter-energy.
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