2012/5/31 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > On May 30, 6:09 pm, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are > > > smuggling in from our real world of physics. In a Church-Turing > > > Matrix, why would there be any kind of arbitrary level separation? The > > > whole point is that there is no fundamental difference between one > > > Turing emulation and another. Paris is a program. > > > > A program is running on a machine... a program interact through interface > > and that's the **only** way to interact. > > Huh? A program interacts with another program directly.
Yes ? Give me an example, the most basic interface is shared memory (and eventually, any shared thing is done via memory access)... So give me a program that can talk/share thing with another program without any interface between them... > There is no > interface. It makes no difference to the OS of the HW node whether the > program is running virtual Paris on the root level of the physical > machine or virtual virtual Paris on one of the virtual machines. > Yes there is a difference, the paris running on a virtual machine has no direct access (and can't know of it unless an interface exist) on the physical hardware. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If not you aren't really doing multi level simulation (simulation in > a > > > > simulation)... but a single level one where you made it look like > multi > > > > level. > > > > > > Example: if you run a virtual machine (like virtual box) and you > > > virtualize > > > > an OS and inside that one you run a virtual box that run another os > > > inside > > > > it, the second level cannot go to the first level (as the first level > > > can't > > > > reach the host) unless an interface between them exists. > > > > > No, you can. I can log into the root level on a hardware node - pick a > > > virtual machine on that node and log into it, open up a remote desktop > > > there and log back into the hardware node that the VM box is on if I > > > want. I can reboot the hardware machine from any nested level within > > > the node. There doesn't need to be an interface at all. They are all > > > running on the same physical hardware node. > > > > Well you can't read "unless an interface between them exists." > > What interface are you talking about? I can make a million nested > layers of virtual worlds and I can make it so the same virtual fire > burns in all of them, with no interface required. Well I know you do it through magic mushroom... but hey, that doesn't work. Quentin > It would magically > burn on command if I wanted it to. It's no problem at all unless I > want it to burn outside of the root level - into the literal reality > of time-space-matter-energy. > > Craig > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
