2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > On May 30, 4:36 pm, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 3:02 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > You always put that level confusion on the table. You could expect to > > > have > > > > dinner in a virtual paris if you were in a virtual world. If you > want an > > > > computational AI to interact with you, it must be able to control > real > > > > world appendices that permits it to *interact* or likewise if it was > in a > > > > virtual world, you should use a interface with this virtual world > for you > > > > to interact. > > > > > > You can't expect level to be mixed without an interface and I don't > see > > > any > > > > problem with that. > > > > > Why not? In a virtual world you could mix levels without an interface. > > > > No you can't, if in your virtual world, you made a real computer > simulator, > > what runs in the simulator cannot escape in the upper virtual world > unless > > you've made an interface to it. > > You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are > smuggling in from our real world of physics. In a Church-Turing > Matrix, why would there be any kind of arbitrary level separation? The > whole point is that there is no fundamental difference between one > Turing emulation and another. Paris is a program. >
A program is running on a machine... a program interact through interface and that's the **only** way to interact. > > > > > If not you aren't really doing multi level simulation (simulation in a > > simulation)... but a single level one where you made it look like multi > > level. > > > > Example: if you run a virtual machine (like virtual box) and you > virtualize > > an OS and inside that one you run a virtual box that run another os > inside > > it, the second level cannot go to the first level (as the first level > can't > > reach the host) unless an interface between them exists. > > No, you can. I can log into the root level on a hardware node - pick a > virtual machine on that node and log into it, open up a remote desktop > there and log back into the hardware node that the VM box is on if I > want. I can reboot the hardware machine from any nested level within > the node. There doesn't need to be an interface at all. They are all > running on the same physical hardware node. > > Well you can't read "unless an interface between them exists." > Craig > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.