2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
> On May 30, 4:36 pm, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>
> > > On May 29, 3:02 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > You always put that level confusion on the table. You could expect to
> > > have
> > > > dinner in a virtual paris if you were in a virtual world. If you
> want an
> > > > computational AI to interact with you, it must be able to control
> > > > world appendices that permits it to *interact* or likewise if it was
> in a
> > > > virtual world, you should use a interface with this virtual world
> for you
> > > > to interact.
> > > > You can't expect level to be mixed without an interface and I don't
> > > any
> > > > problem with that.
> > > Why not? In a virtual world you could mix levels without an interface.
> > No you can't, if in your virtual world, you made a real computer
> > what runs in the simulator cannot escape in the upper virtual world
> > you've made an interface to it.
> You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are
> smuggling in from our real world of physics. In a Church-Turing
> Matrix, why would there be any kind of arbitrary level separation? The
> whole point is that there is no fundamental difference between one
> Turing emulation and another. Paris is a program.
A program is running on a machine... a program interact through interface
and that's the **only** way to interact.
> > If not you aren't really doing multi level simulation (simulation in a
> > simulation)... but a single level one where you made it look like multi
> > level.
> > Example: if you run a virtual machine (like virtual box) and you
> > an OS and inside that one you run a virtual box that run another os
> > it, the second level cannot go to the first level (as the first level
> > reach the host) unless an interface between them exists.
> No, you can. I can log into the root level on a hardware node - pick a
> virtual machine on that node and log into it, open up a remote desktop
> there and log back into the hardware node that the VM box is on if I
> want. I can reboot the hardware machine from any nested level within
> the node. There doesn't need to be an interface at all. They are all
> running on the same physical hardware node.
Well you can't read "unless an interface between them exists."
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