On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:01 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

>  On 7/2/2012 11:21 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:12 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>  On 7/2/2012 7:36 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
>>
>>  Do you really not see any difference between tables and chairs and
>>> people and numbers,
>>>
>>
>>
>> Chairs and people are also mathematical objects, just really complex ones
>> with a large information content.  This is the necessary conclusion of
>> anyone who believes physical laws are mathematical.
>>
>>
>> No, it's a necessary conclusion of anyone who cannot distinguish a
>> description from the thing described.
>>
>>
>  I think the identity of indiscernibles applies: If no distinction can
> ever be made (by observers within a mathematical universe and observers
> within a physical universe) then there is no distinction.  You are using
> "physical" as an honorific, but it adds no information.
>
>
> I can point to a chair and say "This!"
>
>
Yes, but how do you know you are pointing to a "physical chair", rather
than a "mathematical chair"?

Also, the "point test" fails to work for past or future times, different
branches of the wave function, etc.

Jason

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