On 18.07.2012 22:26 meekerdb said the following:
On 7/18/2012 12:21 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 18.07.2012 21:08 meekerdb said the following:
On 7/18/2012 10:32 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
For example, the fantastic, uinmatched success the
judeo-christian civilization until XVIII century at least, as
measured in objective evolutionary terms.


You mean the one that squelched Greek science (which had to be
preserved by the Persians) and brought us the Dark Ages? Or do
you refer the post-enlightenment civilization that burgeoned when
the Roman Church lost it's grip.

Brent


Brent,

You should read Kepler, Copernicus, Galileo, Bacon, Newton,
Descartes, Ockham and others authors from that time.

Dark Ages is just a myth. From Wikipedia

"However, many modern scholars who study the era tend to avoid the
 term altogether for its negative connotations, finding it
misleading and inaccurate for any part of the Middle Ages."

Evgenii


You should read Anaxagoras and Eratosthenes and Democritus and
Aristarchus to see how much further science might have been advanced
if not for the Church's emphasis on faith and superstition as a means
to political power.

I do not get your point. Ancient Greece was took over by Rome and then the Roman Empire has also disappeared. Do you mean that this was the Pope's fault?

Right now Maarten Hoenen has lectures about atomism, that is, about Democritus, Epicurus and Lucretius. It is really fun. Do you know that Democritus is the ‘laughing philosopher’ because of his special relationship to life. Roughly speaking, we are just conglomerates of atoms and in the future there will be other conglomerates of atoms, so we should not think too much about future and death. We should just take the fun from the present. Also see Epicurus in this respect.

From such a viewpoint, it is unclear why you blame the Church. You should blame the M-theory instead, because it is the M-theory that has produced one of the 10^500 universes in which the conglomerates of atoms and fields had produced the Catholic Church.

Evgenii






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