On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:57 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 8/8/2012 2:31 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > So, according to you, we're always wrong to deny the existence of >> anything because to do so brings it into existence. We can't even have a >> clear conception of it without affirming its existence. I suppose that >> will find adherents on something called the "Everything" list, but think >> it's just intellectual mush. >> > > No, on your first statement. I clearly stated in the last post, that it's > tricky navigating between tendencies to believe/entrance/enthrall ourselves > and denial/amnesia. Because of this, a clear conception that you rightfully > demand, cannot be sacrificed: what happened in so called "fascist" > governments? What is happening "war on drugs, prohibition etc."? I consider > these to be highly fruitful questions in the sense of studying a paradox, > but I refuse to position myself relative to their obvious absurdity in a > "are you for or against" sense. > > Sure, they exist and of course we should study them. But in so doing we > invariably have to navigate tricky terrain between our capacity to entrance > ourselves/reification and denial, because we will believe or disbelieve to > some degree in order for a clearer conception to emerge. For any observer > after observation nothing's void of belief to some degree. People tend to > call them, using evasive maneuver, "working hypothesis" in their papers, > dissertations etc. but this denial of belief implies the same spectrum. > Otherwise belief has to be subject to time constraints, which is of course > nonsense. > > > OK, so is there anything that *doesn't* exist? > > Brent > Both in absolute terms or in a bounded sense, there are the usual options: Take your pick, and make Hawking wrong. I'm not here to convince you, merely suggesting the possibility of our distance/involvement with beliefs to have some bearing on their expression, which weakens somewhat the absolute status of whether we affirm or deny. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.