On 8/19/2012 12:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

You don't really 'come to the idea' at all though, you assume it from the start. There is no theory for why or how numbers would dream, only the assumption that they do.[BM] Here I absolutely disagree. The theory is that I am a material machine. The conclusion is that matter is an hallucination, yet a lawful one. It looks like you have not yet take a deep look on UDA. [Craig]I conclude that matter is a hallucination also, but not ourhallucination. Matter begins as the (shared, intentional)hallucination of our molecular subselves. The key though, is that theextent to which our experience is distant from our molecularsub-realities is directly proportional to the realism and involuntarynature of our experience with matter.

Dear Craig and Bruno,

`This just might be a way of dealing with the "substitution level"`

`question if we go a bit deeper to the atomic! If we think of the`

`material world as defined at the atomic level and consider them as the`

`basic entity having a model logic ala comp, Craig use of electromagnetic`

`forces would be even more justified. We could use a physicist's thoughts`

`on this...`

It's confusing to me when you say that we are a material machine, yetmatter is a hallucination, so that means we are a hallucinationmachine - which is ok by me, but why bring matter into it at all? Whatmakes some hallucinations into matter?

`I answer this question by noting that if multiple entities have`

`"hallucinations" that are in a relation such that there exists a`

`transformation between them, such as what we see in a diffeomorphism`

`between coordinate systems, then a "common world of matter" seems to`

`inevitably follow. (This is what the bisimulation algebra that I worked`

`on seeks to formally represent...) The key is to think of the properties`

`involved. What are the properties of matter that give it its`

`"substance"? Electrostatic repulsion at the molecular level plays a huge`

`role...`

`What would be the logical dual of this effect? Pask considered this`

`in his claim of "No Doppelgangers"`

`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Pask#No_Doppelgangers`

My view is that the same thing that gives the hallucinationssignificance (makes them more narrative and eidetic, more pull towardgestalt coherence) has a symmetric exhaust in the form ofentropy...which is space.

`Space. as I define it, is the multiplicity of possible places that`

`an object could be located. Time is the common perceived sequencing of`

`events. But what is pushing the events to change in the first place? Why`

`not just a frozen static relation? Some people have pointed to a deep`

`level inconsistency, like the omega-inconsistency idea.`

http://www.mathresources.com/products/mathresource/maa/omega_inconsistency.html "omega inconsistency,

`n. (Philosophy) the apparent paradox that occurs when the principle of`

`induction fails, that is, when it is not possible to infer from the fact`

`that each element of a domain has a property that all of them have it.`

`It is so called since the paradigm case is that of the finite ordinal`

`numbers, each of which has a finite successor while they clearly do not`

`all have a finite successor as the set of finite ordinals is the`

`smallest infinite ordinal, omega. A philosophical example, due to`

`Russell, is that it is part of the concept of desire that one wants each`

`of one's desires to be satisfied, but amongst those desires is the`

`apparently inconsistent desire to face new challenges, that is, to leave`

`some of one's desires unsatisfied; thus one can satisfy any of one's`

`desires but not all of them. This paradox seems best resolved by`

`observing a change of the scope of the universal quantifier."`

`This is a nice article on the subject:`

`http://beitiathustra.wordpress.com/2005/11/30/brief-explanation-of-omega-inconsistency/`

`A change in scope of the universal quantifier is still a change`

`that has to be accounted for. What is change coming from? What if []<>`

`itself is globally inconsistent? My dear friend Prof. Hitoshi Kitada`

`wrote on this:`

from http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0212092v1.pdf

`"The class φ is the ﬁrst world, the Universe, which is completely`

`chaotic. In other words,`

`φ is “absolute inconsistent self-identity” in the sense of Kitarou`

`Nishida, whose`

`meaning was later clariﬁed by Ronald Swan in the form stated above. In`

`this clariﬁ-`

cation, φ can be thought “absolute nothingness” in Hegel’s sense.

`The Universe φ is contradictory, and hence its truth value is constantly`

`oscillating between`

`the two extremal values or poles, truth and false, or +1 and −1, or more`

`generally, inside`

`a unit sphere of C. Namely, the class φ as a set of wﬀ’s of the set`

`theory S is countable,`

`but the values which the elements of φ take vary on a unit sphere. In`

`other words, the`

Universe φ is a stationary oscillation, when we see its meaning." This has implications for the Measure problem!

It is space/entropy which provides Cantor-set-like statistical gaps inwhich the various layers of realism can break down in peace. The gapsare where the dreams hide their unrealism and forgives theircontinuity errors. The world of matter looks like it makes perfectsense, but to our molecular selves, it may be a timeless chaos ofconflicting orders.

Indeed!!!! -- Onward! Stephen "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." ~ Francis Bacon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.