On 8/19/2012 12:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
You don't really 'come to the idea' at all though, you assume it
from the start. There is no theory for why or how numbers would
dream, only the assumption that they do.
[BM]
Here I absolutely disagree. The theory is that I am a material
machine. The conclusion is that matter is an hallucination, yet a
lawful one. It looks like you have not yet take a deep look on UDA.
[Craig]
I conclude that matter is a hallucination also, but not our
hallucination. Matter begins as the (shared, intentional)
hallucination of our molecular subselves. The key though, is that the
extent to which our experience is distant from our molecular
sub-realities is directly proportional to the realism and involuntary
nature of our experience with matter.
Dear Craig and Bruno,
This just might be a way of dealing with the "substitution level"
question if we go a bit deeper to the atomic! If we think of the
material world as defined at the atomic level and consider them as the
basic entity having a model logic ala comp, Craig use of electromagnetic
forces would be even more justified. We could use a physicist's thoughts
on this...
It's confusing to me when you say that we are a material machine, yet
matter is a hallucination, so that means we are a hallucination
machine - which is ok by me, but why bring matter into it at all? What
makes some hallucinations into matter?
I answer this question by noting that if multiple entities have
"hallucinations" that are in a relation such that there exists a
transformation between them, such as what we see in a diffeomorphism
between coordinate systems, then a "common world of matter" seems to
inevitably follow. (This is what the bisimulation algebra that I worked
on seeks to formally represent...) The key is to think of the properties
involved. What are the properties of matter that give it its
"substance"? Electrostatic repulsion at the molecular level plays a huge
role...
What would be the logical dual of this effect? Pask considered this
in his claim of "No Doppelgangers"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Pask#No_Doppelgangers
My view is that the same thing that gives the hallucinations
significance (makes them more narrative and eidetic, more pull toward
gestalt coherence) has a symmetric exhaust in the form of
entropy...which is space.
Space. as I define it, is the multiplicity of possible places that
an object could be located. Time is the common perceived sequencing of
events. But what is pushing the events to change in the first place? Why
not just a frozen static relation? Some people have pointed to a deep
level inconsistency, like the omega-inconsistency idea.
http://www.mathresources.com/products/mathresource/maa/omega_inconsistency.html
"omega inconsistency,
n. (Philosophy) the apparent paradox that occurs when the principle of
induction fails, that is, when it is not possible to infer from the fact
that each element of a domain has a property that all of them have it.
It is so called since the paradigm case is that of the finite ordinal
numbers, each of which has a finite successor while they clearly do not
all have a finite successor as the set of finite ordinals is the
smallest infinite ordinal, omega. A philosophical example, due to
Russell, is that it is part of the concept of desire that one wants each
of one's desires to be satisfied, but amongst those desires is the
apparently inconsistent desire to face new challenges, that is, to leave
some of one's desires unsatisfied; thus one can satisfy any of one's
desires but not all of them. This paradox seems best resolved by
observing a change of the scope of the universal quantifier."
This is a nice article on the subject:
http://beitiathustra.wordpress.com/2005/11/30/brief-explanation-of-omega-inconsistency/
A change in scope of the universal quantifier is still a change
that has to be accounted for. What is change coming from? What if []<>
itself is globally inconsistent? My dear friend Prof. Hitoshi Kitada
wrote on this:
from http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0212092v1.pdf
"The class φ is the first world, the Universe, which is completely
chaotic. In other words,
φ is “absolute inconsistent self-identity” in the sense of Kitarou
Nishida, whose
meaning was later clarified by Ronald Swan in the form stated above. In
this clarifi-
cation, φ can be thought “absolute nothingness” in Hegel’s sense.
The Universe φ is contradictory, and hence its truth value is constantly
oscillating between
the two extremal values or poles, truth and false, or +1 and −1, or more
generally, inside
a unit sphere of C. Namely, the class φ as a set of wff’s of the set
theory S is countable,
but the values which the elements of φ take vary on a unit sphere. In
other words, the
Universe φ is a stationary oscillation, when we see its meaning."
This has implications for the Measure problem!
It is space/entropy which provides Cantor-set-like statistical gaps in
which the various layers of realism can break down in peace. The gaps
are where the dreams hide their unrealism and forgives their
continuity errors. The world of matter looks like it makes perfect
sense, but to our molecular selves, it may be a timeless chaos of
conflicting orders.
Indeed!!!!
--
Onward!
Stephen
"Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed."
~ Francis Bacon
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