Stephan, Well I agree the CYMs are a form of substance. But there are string theories where the background spacetime is flexible, to use a common term. So that is not a theory limitation. The frozen block approximation allows for certain solutions that the flexible spacetime inhibits.
I do think the CYMs are flexible since according to string theorists they contain the the laws and constants of physics allowing for 10^500 different universes. That should cover every possibility. Richard On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Stephen P. King <[email protected]>wrote: > On 8/20/2012 1:40 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Hi Stephan, > > I do not think that string theory requires a fixed background. > Otherwise string theory could not be a prospective ToE. > Richard > > Hi Richard, > > I had the very same reaction, but research it for yourself. Look at > the literature, the trick is the use of fiber bundles which require a base > space. They get away with it because they are using the entire space-time > manifold (like the frozen ice block idea) as the base space, so it appears > to be OK. But this leads to the landscape problem because they have to > consider the theory of all possible space-time manifolds. The fundamental > problem that I see with the entire exercise is the assumption of primitive > matter (here in the form of primitive space-time manifolds that are fibered > with a plenum of orbifolds), the very same problem that Bruno is pointing > out. The entire idea that "substance is fundamental" needs to be > re-evaluated and seen as just a basis of observation and not something > ontologically a priori. > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Stephen P. King > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> On 8/20/2012 11:36 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >> Wiki: Mereology has been axiomatized in various ways as applications of >> predicate >> logic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicate_logic> to formal >> ontology<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_ontology>, >> of which mereology is an important part. A common element of such >> axiomatizations is the assumption, shared with inclusion, that the >> part-whole relation orders <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_order>its >> universe, meaning that everything is a part of itself >> (reflexivity<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflexive_relation>), >> that a part of a part of a whole is itself a part of that whole ( >> transitivity <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_relation>), >> >> Richard: These assumptions apply to the Indra Pearl's of Chinese >> Buddhism and to Liebniz's monads. And more importantly superstring theory >> requires that tiny balls of 6-dmensional space exist which turn out to >> have the properties of reflexivity and transitivity, and therefore are >> candidates to be the pearls and monads. >> >> Wiki: and that two distinct entities cannot each be a part of the >> other (antisymmetry <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisymmetric_relation> >> ). >> >> Richard: It seems that neither the pearls, or monads, and certainly not >> the CYMs have this property. So its strickly not mereology that applies to >> monads and the rest. >> >> >> Hi Richard, >> >> I agree with all with a small exception: I have a big problem with >> the superstring theory's use of a fixed background spacetime into which it >> embeds the compactified manifolds. It violates general covariance in doing >> this! >> >> -- >> Onward! >> >> Stephen >> >> "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." >> ~ Francis Bacon >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed." > ~ Francis Bacon > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
