On 30 Aug 2012, at 06:21, meekerdb wrote:

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On 8/29/2012 7:40 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:hmmm, my interpretation is that in platonia, all computations, allthepotential infinities of computations, have the same ontological status. Meaning, there's nothing meaningful that can be said with regard to any particular state of the UD - one can imagine that all computations have been performed in a timeless way. If so, it follows that the state that corresponds to my mind at this moment has an infinite number of instantiations in the UD (regardless of some arbitrary "current" state of the UD). In fact this is the only way I can make sense of the reversal, where physics emerges from "theinfinite computations going through my state". Otherwise, I thinkthephysics that emerges would depend in a contigent way on the particulars of how the UD unfolds.

`OK. All what counts should be the relative measure. In some state,`

`some continuations should have a bigger measure, and this should`

`correspond to "more computations going in your current states, and the`

`most probable next one.`

Whether the infinities involved with my current state are of the same ordinality as the infinitie of all computations, I'm not sure. But I think if it was a "lesser" infinity, so that the probability of my state being instantiated did approach zero in the limit, then my interpretation above would imply that the probability of my existence is actually zero. Which is a contradiction.You may be right. I we think of the UD as existing in Platonia,

`Well, with comp Platonia is just a tiny part of arithmetical truth,`

`and the UD exists there in some provable way. We don't need to think`

`this to make it true.`

then we might as well think of it's computations as completed.

OK.

I don't think that your probability having measure zero implies youcan't exist. The number pi has zero measure on the real line, butit still exists.

`But this mixes different questions. Computations involving PI might`

`have, from the first person machine's point of view, a high measure,`

`in case the "circle idea-program" get some relatively local crucial`

`rĂ´le (as it is very probable, as the circle is a key in many part of`

`number theory, and elsewhere).`

Bruno

BrentTerrenOn Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>wrote:But there are no infinities at any give state - only potentialinfinities.Of course that also implies that "you" are never complete, sinceat anygiven state in the UD there still remain infinitely manycomputations thatwill, in later steps, go through the states instantiating "you". Brent On 8/29/2012 9:04 AM, Terren Suydam wrote:It may not even be zero in the limit, since there's an infinity of computations that generate my state. I suppose it comes down to the ordinality of the infinities involved. TerrenNot zero, only zero in the limit of completing the infinitecomputations.Soat any stage short the infinite completion the probability of"you" isvery small, but non-zero. But we already knew that. Brent --You received this message because you are subscribed to theGoogle Groups"Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.--You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups"Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.--You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

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