On 05 Sep 2012, at 08:38, Stephen P. King wrote:

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On 9/5/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote:On 9/4/2012 10:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:On 9/5/2012 12:38 AM, meekerdb wrote:On 9/4/2012 8:59 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:Notice that both the duplication and the teleportation, asdiscussed, assume that the information content is exactlycopyable.Not exactly. Only sufficiently accurately to maintain yourconsciousness.If the copy is not exact then functional equivalence is notexact either and this is fatal for the model.Then you should mourn the Stephen P. King of and hour ago. He'sbeen fatally changed.Never, I am not the impermanent image on the world stage. I amthe fire that casts the images.This is not qubits that are involved... The point here is thatthis comp model assume that Reality is, at is ground level,classical.It doesn't assume that. A fully quantum computation can beperformed on a classical, i.e. Turing, computer. Bruno wouldjust say it just takes a lower level of substitution.Yes, a classical computer can emulate a finite quantumcomputation given sufficient resources. This is not the same thingas the EPR effect that I am considering. The idea that I amconsidering is more like this:Consider the visible physical universe. We know from observationthat not only is it open on one end and that it's expansion isaccelerating. People want to put this off on some "Dark Energy". Ithink that it is something else, driving it. Consider a classicalcomputer that needs to emulate a quantum computation. It has tohave even increasing resources to keep up with the QC if the QC ismodeling an expanding universe. It we take Bruno's AR literally,where are these resources coming from?They are computations. They exist in Platonia. He's trying toexplain matter, so he can't very well assume material resources.The world is made out of arithmetic, an infinite resource.Sure, but the explanation of the idea requires matter to becommunicated. A slight oversight perhaps.

`But there is matter, in the comp theory. That is all what UDA`

`explains, and what the Z and X logics axiomatizes.`

Let's turn the tables and make Reality Quantum in its essence.The classical computation may just be something that the QC isrunning.There's not difference as computations.You are correct but only in the absence of considerations ofinputs and outputs and their concurrency. Abstract theory leaves outthe obvious, but when it pretends to toss out the obvious, that isgoing to far.

Matter is not obvious.

What is most interesting is that the QC can run an arbitrarynumber of classical computations, all at the same time. The CC canonly barely compute the emulation of a single QC.You are talking about QC and CC as though they were materialcomputers with finite resources. Once you've assumed materialresources you've lost any non-circular possibility of explainingthem.No, I am pointing out that real computations require realresources. Only when we ignore this fact we can get away withfloating castles in midair.

Brent just point out that arithmetic contains infinite resource.

`What do you mean by "real computations"? Do you mean "physical`

`computations"? Why would they lack resources?`

Bruno

What if we have an infinite and eternal QC running infinitely manyfinite CCs and each of these CC's is trying to emulate a singleQC. Map this idea out and look at the nice self-referential loopthat this defines!You're confused.Maybe. I can handle being wrong. I learn from mistakes.Brent ---- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html --You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

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