Hi Bruno Marchal
Eventually you will have to answer the question of what is teleportable.
I have no doubt that someday matter can be transported, even information.
Even energy.
But the more important question to me is whether or not experiences
(the stuff of life or consciousness) can be transported.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/7/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-06, 13:44:55
Subject: Re: Sane2004 Step One
On 05 Sep 2012, at 08:38, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/5/2012 2:03 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/4/2012 10:07 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 9/5/2012 12:38 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/4/2012 8:59 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Notice that both the duplication and the teleportation, as discussed,
assume that the information content is exactly copyable.
Not exactly. Only sufficiently accurately to maintain your consciousness.
If the copy is not exact then functional equivalence is not exact either
and this is fatal for the model.
Then you should mourn the Stephen P. King of and hour ago. He's been fatally
changed.
Never, I am not the impermanent image on the world stage. I am the fire
that casts the images.
This is not qubits that are involved... The point here is that this comp model
assume that Reality is, at is ground level, classical.
It doesn't assume that. A fully quantum computation can be performed on a
classical, i.e. Turing, computer. Bruno would just say it just takes a lower
level of substitution.
Yes, a classical computer can emulate a finite quantum computation given
sufficient resources. This is not the same thing as the EPR effect that I am
considering. The idea that I am considering is more like this:
Consider the visible physical universe. We know from observation that not only
is it open on one end and that it's expansion is accelerating. People want to
put this off on some "Dark Energy". I think that it is something else, driving
it. Consider a classical computer that needs to emulate a quantum computation.
It has to have even increasing resources to keep up with the QC if the QC is
modeling an expanding universe. It we take Bruno's AR literally, where are
these resources coming from?
They are computations. They exist in Platonia. He's trying to explain matter,
so he can't very well assume material resources. The world is made out of
arithmetic, an infinite resource.
Sure, but the explanation of the idea requires matter to be communicated. A
slight oversight perhaps.
But there is matter, in the comp theory. That is all what UDA explains, and
what the Z and X logics axiomatizes.
Let's turn the tables and make Reality Quantum in its essence. The
classical computation may just be something that the QC is running.
There's not difference as computations.
You are correct but only in the absence of considerations of inputs and
outputs and their concurrency. Abstract theory leaves out the obvious, but when
it pretends to toss out the obvious, that is going to far.
Matter is not obvious.
What is most interesting is that the QC can run an arbitrary number of
classical computations, all at the same time. The CC can only barely compute
the emulation of a single QC.
You are talking about QC and CC as though they were material computers with
finite resources. Once you've assumed material resources you've lost any
non-circular possibility of explaining them.
No, I am pointing out that real computations require real resources. Only
when we ignore this fact we can get away with floating castles in midair.
Brent just point out that arithmetic contains infinite resource.
What do you mean by "real computations"? Do you mean "physical computations"?
Why would they lack resources?
Bruno
What if we have an infinite and eternal QC running infinitely many finite CCs
and each of these CC's is trying to emulate a single QC. Map this idea out and
look at the nice self-referential loop that this defines!
You're confused.
Maybe. I can handle being wrong. I learn from mistakes.
Brent
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Stephen
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