Hi Stephen P. King 

I solved this problem my own way by simply asssuming that the universe
from the beginning and  before, as well as now and forever,
exists as an infinite collection of points (monads).  So no problem
with the creation of new things. In principle they always were
and simply grow or unfold when the time calls for it, then
roll or fold up or whatever at the end of their useful lives.

In this veiw of reality, all of reality always consists in monadic space
as an overlapping infinite set of points.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-06, 19:47:06
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On 9/5/2012 12:57 PM, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Bruno Marchal

You raise an interesting point If all of the monads had to be
existing at the beginning of the universe, what if I build
a  new computer ? 

Dear Roger,

    The point is that the physical "stuff" is NOT ontologically primitive. It 
emerges from harmonies of agreement between the monads. These harmonies have 
labellings in terms of time and location but only as relata of the monads. The 
monads are eternal, but their perceptions are finite and contingent on each 
other. This idea rehabilitates the Pre-established Harmony by showing that the 
"pre-established" portion of the concept is both unnecessary and problematic. 
God's creative act is an eternal process, not a special event that occurs only 
once as we could think of it. It occurs only once for God, surely, but God has 
no time, nor space, nor any particular properties of its own. The monads *are* 
the agents of creation in the sense that they generate definiteness of 

I believe Leibniz's discussion of plants
and seeds would relate to that.  In the case of plants,
each has a monad that started out as a miniscule seed 
(all enwrapped in itself) that then opens up, develops and grows.
There are seeds within seeds within seeds etc. I will at this point claim 
with some uncertainty that computers are somehow like that, 
making up compound monads which when pulled apart and 
separated similarly have a monad.

These would be "bare naked" monads, with little intelligence 
or much awareness, but being half-asleep and as if drugged out.

I believe there are and infitie number of monads in the universe,
since these take up no space and each is a point representing
a piece of reality. So the universe to begin with and even now had to be
a collection of an inifinite number of discrete points or monads.

To continue, if the machine is attached to a monad, God can perceive it.
A machine however would only have a bare naked monad.

It seems I may h

   Could you complete your sentence?

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."





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