Hi Stephen P. King I solved this problem my own way by simply asssuming that the universe from the beginning and before, as well as now and forever, exists as an infinite collection of points (monads). So no problem with the creation of new things. In principle they always were and simply grow or unfold when the time calls for it, then roll or fold up or whatever at the end of their useful lives.
In this veiw of reality, all of reality always consists in monadic space as an overlapping infinite set of points. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/7/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-06, 19:47:06 Subject: Re: The universe as a collection of an infinite number of pointscalled monads On 9/5/2012 12:57 PM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal You raise an interesting point If all of the monads had to be existing at the beginning of the universe, what if I build a new computer ? Dear Roger, The point is that the physical "stuff" is NOT ontologically primitive. It emerges from harmonies of agreement between the monads. These harmonies have labellings in terms of time and location but only as relata of the monads. The monads are eternal, but their perceptions are finite and contingent on each other. This idea rehabilitates the Pre-established Harmony by showing that the "pre-established" portion of the concept is both unnecessary and problematic. God's creative act is an eternal process, not a special event that occurs only once as we could think of it. It occurs only once for God, surely, but God has no time, nor space, nor any particular properties of its own. The monads *are* the agents of creation in the sense that they generate definiteness of properties. I believe Leibniz's discussion of plants and seeds would relate to that. In the case of plants, each has a monad that started out as a miniscule seed (all enwrapped in itself) that then opens up, develops and grows. There are seeds within seeds within seeds etc. I will at this point claim with some uncertainty that computers are somehow like that, making up compound monads which when pulled apart and separated similarly have a monad. These would be "bare naked" monads, with little intelligence or much awareness, but being half-asleep and as if drugged out. I believe there are and infitie number of monads in the universe, since these take up no space and each is a point representing a piece of reality. So the universe to begin with and even now had to be a collection of an inifinite number of discrete points or monads. To continue, if the machine is attached to a monad, God can perceive it. A machine however would only have a bare naked monad. It seems I may h Could you complete your sentence? Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." -- Onward! Stephen http://webpages.charter.net/stephenk1/Outlaw/Outlaw.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.