Hi Stephen P. King 

As I see it, if there is an infinite collection of (monadic) points,
all future things foreseen (as in "pre-established harmony")
then nothing new can ever be created or destroyed, things
(including thoughts and people)  just blossom like plants from 
seeds and eventually die, but always in the same monad.

Notice that the phrase "pre-established harmony" just popped 
naturally into my mind when I visualized the points as overlaid.
Studying Leibniz is like that, it is so logical that it will allow you 
to explore without a guide.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him 
so that everything could function."
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From: Stephen P. King 
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Time: 2012-09-07, 10:22:37
Subject: Re: The universe as a collection of an infinite number of 

On 9/7/2012 8:32 AM, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Stephen P. King 

I solved this problem my own way by simply asssuming that the universe
from the beginning and  before, as well as now and forever,
exists as an infinite collection of points (monads). 

Hi Roger,

    I agree with this.    

So no problem
with the creation of new things.

    No, novelty is not a priori definable, by its very definition it cannot be 
considered to be given from the beginning! OTOH, we could stipulate that 
novelty is a concept that only individual monads that are not identical to each 
other can have, then novelty and "creation of new things" in general can be 
seen in a logically consistent  fashion as local transient aspects and not 
pre-ordained  or essence.

In principle they always were
and simply grow or unfold when the time calls for it, then
roll or fold up or whatever at the end of their useful lives.

In this veiw of reality, all of reality always consists in monadic space
as an overlapping infinite set of points.

    No, that is a contradiction of terms. Monads cannot be defined as "an 
overlapping infinite set of points" because "points" by definition have no 
extension and therefore can never overlap with each other. There is no such 
thing as a " monadic space" which might act as a container of multiple and 
distinct monads. Monads, as L defined them, cannot act or exist in that manner. 
Frankly, L's speculations about the "exterior aspects of Monads", found later 
on in his Monadology, papers, may be the consequence of drinking too much wine 
as they are completely inconsistent with his careful initial definitions of 
monads. We are all finite and fallible, even geniuses like Leibniz. :-( 




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