On 9/7/2012 10:43 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
As I see it, if there is an infinite collection of (monadic) points,
all future things foreseen (as in "pre-established harmony")
then nothing new can ever be created or destroyed, things
(including thoughts and people) just blossom like plants from
seeds and eventually die, but always in the same monad.
Hi Roger,
Here is the problem: a point has no extension therefore it cannot
code anything other than its presence or non-presence by its absence. To
think of "all future things foreseen (as in "pre-established harmony")"
there must be a capacity of each and every monad to have an image of
some sort of things, future, past, present, distant, close, whatever. It
must have the equivalent of potentially infinite memory. This cannot
occur for a point. Therefore, a monad cannot be defined as a point, but
it can be similar to a point in having no exterior extensions; it only
has internal aspects. All considerations of things "exterior" to a monad
are merely defined in terms of relations within, between and among its
internal aspects.
Notice that the phrase "pre-established harmony" just popped
naturally into my mind when I visualized the points as overlaid.
Studying Leibniz is like that, it is so logical that it will allow you
to explore without a guide.
It seems likely that you are merely parroting words without fully
comprehending their use or meaning.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net <mailto:rclo...@verizon.net>
9/7/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On 9/7/2012 8:32 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
I solved this problem my own way by simply asssuming that the
universe
from the beginning and before, as well as now and forever,
exists as an infinite collection of points (monads).
Hi Roger,
I agree with this.
So no problem
with the creation of new things.
No, novelty is not a priori definable, by its very definition
it cannot be considered to be given from the beginning! OTOH, we
could stipulate that novelty is a concept that only individual
monads that are not identical to each other can have, then novelty
and "creation of new things" in general can be seen in a logically
consistent fashion as local transient aspects and not
pre-ordained or essence.
In principle they always were
and simply grow or unfold when the time calls for it, then
roll or fold up or whatever at the end of their useful lives.
Surely!
In this veiw of reality, all of reality always consists in
monadic space
as an overlapping infinite set of points.
No, that is a contradiction of terms. Monads cannot be defined
as "an overlapping infinite set of points" because "points" by
definition have no extension and therefore can never overlap with
each other. There is no such thing as a "monadic space" which
might act as a container of multiple and distinct monads. Monads,
as L defined them, cannot act or exist in that manner. Frankly,
L's speculations about the "exterior aspects of Monads", found
later on in his Monadology, papers, may be the consequence of
drinking too much wine as they are completely inconsistent with
his careful initial definitions of monads. We are all finite and
fallible, even geniuses like Leibniz. :-(
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