On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:09 AM, "Roger Clough" <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
IMHO life is essentially intelligence (mind), where intelligence is
the ability to make one's own choices,
not from software or hardware or anything in nature.
Then from where do you suppose the choices come from? Even if they
come from souls on some ethereal plane do those souls not follow some
pattern or rules? If not, then they are random then they are not
choices at all. If they do, then in theory there is some description
of them.
Jason
I hypothesize that life is undefinable because
to define it would limit its choices. Some limitation of course
would be permissible, so this is
an imperfect hypothesis.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/8/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-05, 10:35:45
Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:00 AM, "Roger Clough" <rclo...@verizon.net>
wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
IMHO the burden to show that computers are alive and
have intelligence lies on the scientists.
I see no evidence of life or real intelligence
in computers.
Roger,
What is the difference between something that is alive and something
that is not?
Afterall, everything in this world is quarks and electrons.
Computers, rocks, life, they are all made of the same stuff: quarks
and electrons.
I don't know what you believe; you haven't answered my questions to
you. But I believe what separates a living thing from an unliving
thing, or a thinking thing from a non thinking thing lies in the
organziation of those things.
Do you believe that a collection of hydrogen atoms, properly
combined and put together in the right way could create roger
clough? If not please explain why not. Without a dialog we cannot
progress in understanding eachother's views.
Jason
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/5/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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From: Craig Weinberg
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Time: 2012-09-04, 20:39:55
Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be
continuously generating a virtual reality model of the world that
includes our body and what we are conscious of is that
model.
I like this description of a brain: that of a dreaming / reality
creating machine.
What is it the brain creating this dream/reality out of? Non-
reality? Intangible mathematical essences? The problem with
representational qualia is that in order to represent something,
there has to be something there to begin with to represent. Why
would the brain need to represent the data that it already has to
itself in some fictional layer of abstraction? Why convert the
quantitative data of the universe into made up qualities and then
hide that conversion process from itself?
Does a "machine" made up of gears, springs and levers do this?
Could one made of diodes and transistors do it? Maybe...
No one has shown me a cogent argument that they could not.
They question isn't why they could, it is why they would. What
possible function would be served by a cuckoo clock having an
experience of being a flying turnip?
Craig
Jason
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