Hi Jason Resch
Where do the choices come from ?
Seemingly from each individual monad.
But these choices, at least in Leibniz's universe,
have already been decided in the pre-established harmony.
Since these choices have to be harmonious with the rest of
the universe, in some sense they would be of limited freedom
overall, although more than one solution might be possible
to maintain harmony. Perhaps one solution would be optimal,
i don't know. The choice would at the same time appear
to be entirely free to the individual.
Probability theory might have a better answer than I have
provided. This suggest that perhaps QM could answer the question
Another solution might simply be the greatest
good for the greatest number.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/9/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On Sep 8, 2012, at 7:09 AM, "Roger Clough" <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
IMHO life is essentially intelligence (mind), where intelligence is the ability
to make one's own choices,
not from software or hardware or anything in nature.
Then from where do you suppose the choices come from? Even if they come from
souls on some ethereal plane do those souls not follow some pattern or rules?
If not, then they are random then they are not choices at all. If they do,
then in theory there is some description of them.
Jason
I hypothesize that life is undefinable because
to define it would limit its choices. Some limitation of course would be
permissible, so this is
an imperfect hypothesis.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/8/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-05, 10:35:45
Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:00 AM, "Roger Clough" <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
IMHO the burden to show that computers are alive and
have intelligence lies on the scientists.
I see no evidence of life or real intelligence
in computers.
Roger,
What is the difference between something that is alive and something that is
not?
Afterall, everything in this world is quarks and electrons. Computers, rocks,
life, they are all made of the same stuff: quarks and electrons.
I don't know what you believe; you haven't answered my questions to you. But I
believe what separates a living thing from an unliving thing, or a thinking
thing from a non thinking thing lies in the organziation of those things.
Do you believe that a collection of hydrogen atoms, properly combined and put
together in the right way could create roger clough? If not please explain why
not. Without a dialog we cannot progress in understanding eachother's views.
Jason
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/5/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-04, 20:39:55
Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be continuously
generating a virtual reality model of the world that includes our body and what
we are conscious of is that model.
I like this description of a brain: that of a dreaming / reality creating
machine.
What is it the brain creating this dream/reality out of? Non-reality?
Intangible mathematical essences? The problem with representational qualia is
that in order to represent something, there has to be something there to begin
with to represent. Why would the brain need to represent the data that it
already has to itself in some fictional layer of abstraction? Why convert the
quantitative data of the universe into made up qualities and then hide that
conversion process from itself?
Does a "machine" made up of gears, springs and levers do this? Could one made
of diodes and transistors do it? Maybe...
No one has shown me a cogent argument that they could not.
They question isn't why they could, it is why they would. What possible
function would be served by a cuckoo clock having an experience of being a
flying turnip?
Craig
Jason
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