On 05 Sep 2012, at 18:15, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Bruno Marchal

Perhaps wrongly, I think of the world of monads as the virtual world.

Virtual means simulated by a computer, in computer science.
It has another meaning in physics, which I have never make complete sense of, as it is unclear if the sense in classical physics and quantum physics can be said equivalent.

Bruno



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On 05 Sep 2012, at 14:45, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Jason Resch

What you call a virtual world, Kant and Leibniz call the phenomenal world.

Hmm.. You simplify too much. Virtual means simulated or emulated by a universal machine, and this is a 3p notion. The 1p is the phenomenal reality, and as such typically not emulable, as being statistically distributed on the whole universal dovetailling.

Bruno




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On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:


On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:


牋 The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be continuously generating a virtual reality model of the world that includes our body and what we are conscious of is that model.

I like this description of a brain: that of a dreaming / reality creating machine.

What is it the brain creating this dream/reality out of? Non- reality? Intangible mathematical essences?


You may be misinterpreting what I mean. The reality is created in the sense of the experience of reality. Each person on earth in some sense has their own conception of the world (reality) even though there is only one real planet. I don't mean to suggest that the brain exists disembodied.

The problem with representational qualia is that in order to represent something, there has to be something there to begin with to represent.

When we dream, we have experiences and qualia without the represented thing have any existence outside the mind. Blind people can dream in color (if they had sight at some point in their lives). Where does the color of red come from in a blind person's dream?

Why would the brain need to represent the data that it already has to itself in some fictional layer of abstraction? Why convert the quantitative data of the universe into made up qualities and then hide that conversion process from itself?

Does a "machine" made up of gears, springs and levers do this? Could one made of diodes and transistors do it? Maybe...

No one has shown me a cogent argument that they could not.

They question isn't why they could, it is why they would.

We will make these machines and transfer our minds on to them for the same reason we transfer our photographs off the digital camera that took them. What possible function would be served by a cuckoo clock having an experience of being a flying turnip?

We won't transfer our minds to cuckoo clocks (maybe you will to prove me wrong ;-) ) but to machines that are more resilient, efficient, faster, and more reliable.

Jason

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