On 05 Sep 2012, at 14:45, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Jason Resch
What you call a virtual world, Kant and Leibniz call the phenomenal
world.
Hmm.. You simplify too much. Virtual means simulated or emulated by a
universal machine, and this is a 3p notion. The 1p is the phenomenal
reality, and as such typically not emulable, as being statistically
distributed on the whole universal dovetailling.
Bruno
Roger Clough, [email protected]
9/5/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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From: Jason Resch
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Time: 2012-09-04, 21:44:02
Subject: Re: Why a bacterium has more intelligence than a computer
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Craig Weinberg
<[email protected]> wrote:
On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:06:06 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote:
牋� The point that I am making is that our brain seems to be
continuously generating a virtual reality model of the world that
includes our body and what we are conscious of is that model.
I like this description of a brain: that of a dreaming / reality
creating machine.
What is it the brain creating this dream/reality out of? Non-
reality? Intangible mathematical essences?
You may be misinterpreting what I mean.� The reality is created in
the sense of the experience of reality.� Each person on earth in
some sense has their own conception of the world (reality) even
though there is only one real planet.� I don't mean to suggest that
the brain exists disembodied.
�
The problem with representational qualia is that in order to
represent something, there has to be something there to begin with
to represent.
When we dream, we have experiences and qualia without the
represented thing have any existence outside the mind.� Blind
people can dream in color (if they had sight at some point in their
lives).� Where does the color of red come from in a blind person's
dream?
�
Why would the brain need to represent the data that it already has
to itself in some fictional layer of abstraction? Why convert the
quantitative data of the universe into made up qualities and then
hide that conversion process from itself?
�
�
Does a "machine" made up of gears, springs and levers do this? Could
one made of diodes and transistors do it? Maybe...
No one has shown me a cogent argument that they could not.
They question isn't why they could, it is why they would.
We will make these machines and transfer our minds on to them for
the same reason we transfer our photographs off the digital camera
that took them.
�
What possible function would be served by a cuckoo clock having an
experience of being a flying turnip?
We won't transfer our minds to cuckoo clocks (maybe you will to
prove me wrong ;-) ) but to machines that are more resilient,
efficient, faster, and more reliable.
Jason
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