It may be too late to do someting about global warming. In the early 1980s we had plenty of time to act, today we have to accept at least 2°C temperature rise and hope that will not cause big problems, but even that will require taking drastic measures.

You don't need catastrophic effects on the environment to cause or civilization to collapse. All that is needed is a prolonged period of bad weather that will cause agriculture to fail in a few rich countries. If there are problems in poor countries, you can get a local famine, which is bad for the local population, but it isn't going to pose a problem for the wider World. If however, agriculture fails in India, China, Australia, and Russia, then these countries have enough money to buy themselves out of a famine, but then that will cause global food shortages.


Tne US will have to ban grain exports to make sure that not all of its grain gets exported away to China, but this will trigger counter measures eventually leading to the collapse of the World economy. Basicaly the problem is that if Saudi Arabia can't buy grain, why would they sell their oil?

Saibal




Citeren "Stephen P. King" <stephe...@charter.net>:

On 9/16/2012 12:43 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
On 16.09.2012 18:29 Stephen P. King said the following:
On 9/16/2012 8:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THORIUM
REACTORS  BUT THERE ARE MANY DOUBTERS (CERTAINLY GREENIES AMONG
THEM) THAT THEY WOULD WORK. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
<mailto:rclo...@verizon.net> 9/16/2012 Leibniz would say, "If
there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could
function."
Hi Roger,

I agree. It is obvious that the "greenies" are just the new
incarnations of Luddites. It is amazing that they have the temerity
to wish all of us into a Stone Age existence while they sit on their
 pillows of comfort and pontificate to us how we need to "save the
Earth". They just want us to accept the serfdom that they wish to
impose upon us.


If you look at Germany, you see that you are not quite right. It is better to see this, as usually, a fight for resources between different interest groups, in this case for example an atomic lobby vs. a wind power lobby. Yet, it is hard to refer to the wind power lobby as Luddites. It brings many new and interesting scientific question with, for example look at Smart Grids.

Evgenii
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http://blog.rudnyi.ru

I always try to find a global view that allows me to see the opposing sides as on an equal footing. I only care about Truth, not political affiliations.

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Onward!

Stephen

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