Hi Jason Resch 

Pragmatically speaking, the self has to be a singular, focussed point.
I have trouble understanding how that can be done with a network of nerve 
signals.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/20/2012 
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen


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On Sep 19, 2012, at 8:02 AM, "Roger Clough" <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Jason Resch
>
> My ionterpretation of the result of the brain splitting on
> pain perception is that her "self" is on one side and
> the feeling of pain is on the other. Thus she feels the pain,
> but cannot associate to her self (doesn't care).
>

I would agree, but add that the self, in this case, is found in the 
connected parts of the majority of her brain.

Jason


>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 9/19/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
>
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>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2012, at 12:53 PM, meekerdb wrote:
>
>
> On 9/18/2012 10:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
> No it is absolutely necessary. If you had no knowledge regarding 
> what you were seeing, no qualia at all, you would be blind and 
> dysfunctional.
>
>
> You might cite blund sighr as a counter example, but actually i 
> think it is evidence of modularity if mind. Those with blind sight 
> appear to have a disconnect between the visual processing parts of 
> their brain and others. For example, they may still have reflexes, 
> like the ability to avoid obsticles or catch a thrown ball, but the 
> language center of their brain is disconnected, and so the part of 
> the brain that talks says it can't see.
>
> I agree. But it raises a question about the woman who feels pain 
> but doesn't care. Who is it that doesn't care? Obviously the 
> conscious person who tells you they don't care. But is there 
> another, inarticulate person who feels the pain? or does care?
>
>
>
>
> Brent,
>
>
> Good question, and a scary thought.
>
>
> I think this might be likely in the case of a fully split brain, but 
> correspondingly less likely the smaller the isolated (disconnected) 
> part of the brain is.
>
>
> Unconsciousness under anesthesia results from brain regions becoming 
> isolated from each other. Maybe they are still conscious but cut 
> off from the memory, motion control, and speaking areas, so we have 
> no evidence of the consciousness of the sub-regions.
>
>
> Jason
>
>
> Brent
>
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