Hi meekerdb  

1) That statement about Hell is hyperbole, an overstatement to get a point 
across.
Jesus also said "Nobody who does not hate his mother and father can follow me."

2) I would reply to Epicurus that if he thinks life
ios bad as it is, he has no idea how much worse it would
be without God's grace.


Roger Clough, [email protected] 
9/20/2012  
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen 


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Time: 2012-09-20, 02:01:14 
Subject: Re: the "nothing but" fallacy. 


On 9/19/2012 10:50 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:09 AM, meekerdb wrote: 
>> On 9/19/2012 5:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: 
>> 
>> Also, the concept of a super intelligent entity torturing someone may be 
>> almost contradictory, for they may realize the identity of all minds, and 
>> therefore they would be torturing themselves. 
>> 
>> 
>> That would be an inconsistency of values, but not a logical contradiction. 
> The thing about religion is that we shouldn't believe it because it's 
> FALSE, not because it's BAD. Something could be BAD but TRUE. I find 
> it odd that both religious and anti-religious people often miss this 
> point and talk about the good or bad effects (respectively) of 
> religious belief. 

Well of course that is because almost all religions claim that their revelation 
defines  
what is good and bad, independent of mere human opinion. So if one shows that 
the  
revelation's definition of good or bad is preposterous (like an all loving God 
who  
tortures people for not worshipping Him) then at least that much of the 
theology is false. 

Brent 
"Either God wants to abolish evil and cannot; or he can, but 
does not want to; or he cannot, and does not want to. If he 
wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not 
want to, he is wicked. If he neither can, nor wants to, he is 
both powerless and wicked. But if God can abolish evil, and wants 
to, then how comes evil in the world?'" 
       --- Epicurus 

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