On Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:45:07 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Craig Weinberg 
> <whats...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote: 
>
> >> I object to the idea that consciousness will cause a brain or other 
> >> machine to behave in a way not predictable by purely physical laws. 
> >> Some people, like Craig Weinberg, seem to believe that this is 
> >> possible but it is contrary to all science. This applies even if the 
> >> whole universe is really just a simulation, because what we observe is 
> >> at the level of the simulation. 
> > 
> > 
> > That is not what I believe at all. I have corrected you and others on 
> this 
> > many times but you won't hear it. Nothing unusual needs to happen in the 
> > brain for ordinary consciousness to take place, it's just that physics 
> has 
> > nothing to say about whether billions of synapses will suddenly begin 
> firing 
> > in complex synchronized patterns or not. Physics doesn't care. Can 
> neurons 
> > fire when conditions are right? Yes. Can our thoughts and intentions 
> > directly control conditions in the brain? YES. Of course. Obviously. 
> > Otherwise we wouldn't care any more about the human brain than we would 
> a 
> > wasps nest. It's not that physics needs to be amended, it is that 
> experience 
> > is part of physics, and physics is part of experience. 
>
> If physics cannot predict even in theory when the neurons will fire 
> then *by definition* the neurons behave contrary to physics. 
>

If the neurons fire based on the participation of a personal identity in 
response to events in a person's life, then how could physics predict them 
without predicting a person's entire life? 

Craig
 

>
>
> -- 
> Stathis Papaioannou 
>

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