On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:26:03 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
> I think Roger has an incorrect interpretation the physics of Leibniz
> and Einstein.
I'm not sure. Spacetime can be warped, just as the cost of living can
'rise'. If Einstein understands that spacetime is the relation between
objects and nothing more, then it would make sense that he also understands
that by curvature or warping he means only the warping of the paths which
I am going to try to read his original manuscript:
http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Einstein/Einstein_Relativity.pdf so far I
find no mention of 'warp' or 'curvature'.
> I also think this discussion has reached beyond diminishing returns.
See, that's the thing, I could talk about this stuff forever. I used to
have the conventional view of spacetime, but the more people I talk to, and
the more knoweldgeable they are, the more I can see clearly that their
basis for disagreeing with me is purely out of dread, and not out of any
particular counterfactual scientific observation or understanding that they
have. I am considering offering $1000 to the first person who can explain
to me in a way that I can agree with why my conjecture is wrong.
> I will stick with the conventional definition of space and time.
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Craig Weinberg
> > On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:03:15 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
> >> Roger: So neither space and time nor spacetime
> >> physically exist.
> >> Richard: That is unscientific. Physics could be entirely wrong.
> >> But I will bet on physics being correct and you and Craig being
> >> But you are entitled to your opinion however absolute you make it sound
> >> like.
> > Craig: If we are right, then it is the Physics of Leibniz and Einstein
> > probably others...Bohm?) are correct. Why does your interpretation speak
> > Physics but these others do not?
> > Try this. Imagine universe with nothing but a ping pong ball in a
> > There really is no 'space' there. Without some other object to provide a
> > frame of reference, there is literally no way to conceptualize a
> > between one 'place' to be and another. No direction to face. Space is
> > information entropy. The lack of signal for us to make sense out of. It
> > nothing but the inferred gap between one participant and another in the
> > particular visual-tactile-acoustic sense modalities of the participants
> > subjectivity.
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