On 11 Oct 2012, at 16:09, Richard Ruquist wrote:

Craig & Roger, Here is a possible middle ground. Just like quantum waves may be virtual and not physical, dimensions may be virtual, including the multiple dimensions of string theory. So the particles of compactified dimensions would be virtual and spacetime would be virtual as well. Spacetime still is part of reality just as virtual particles created at the Planck scale must exist. But spacetime is more like wave functions than physical particles. In fact in Bohm theory both quantum probability waves the elementary particles and in GR warped spacetime guide ponderable bodies. I think of quantum waves or states as belonging in the mind of god, so to speak, along with virtual Planck-scale particles, CYM monads, and now presumably, spacetime. I am willing to admit that spacetime does not have physical existence, nor do any multiple dimensions. But I extend this thinking to multiple worlds. IMO MWI exists in the mind of god and only 1p is physical, as following Leibniz, god chooses the best possible world from all the quantum possibilities. However, I believe that god is the collective nature of the CYM monads, which following Godel and perhaps comp, manifests consciousness and I believe makes the choice of what quantum state becomes physical in every interaction.of physical particles. According to string theory, the CYMs contain the laws and constants of physics, ie., they are omnipotent. I conjecture that they are as well omniscient based on Green's 2-d solution that each CYM maps the entire universe, just like the monads of Leibniz and Indra's Pearls. The CYMs are of course omnipresent since they fill the universe. Enough preaching, Richard

`If comp is correct, whatever is physical must be justified entirely in`

`elementary arithmetic. Strictly speaking, there are non physical`

`universe, only a physical reality which is a view from inside the big`

`thing (arithmetic).`

`String theory might have a role indeed, as it has many features`

`related to number theory.`

`In particular string theory do have non trivial applications on`

`numbers. One which is well know is the proof of Jacobi theorem: that`

`the number of ways we can write a positive integer as the ordered sum`

`of integers square is 24*(the sum of the odd divisors), for the even`

`numbers, and 8*(the sum of all divisors) for the odd integers. The`

`proof by Jacobi is very complex, and used the "famous" modular forms,`

`but there is an elegant (and not so simple too) proof using the`

`bosonic string theory.`

`Then the Moonshine phenomenon and the Monster Group which points on`

`interesting relationships between numbers and physics.`

At the heart of the mind-body problem, all fields meet. Bruno

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Craig Weinberg<whatsons...@gmail.com> wrote:On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:26:03 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:Craig, I think Roger has an incorrect interpretation the physics of Leibniz and Einstein.I'm not sure. Spacetime can be warped, just as the cost of living can'rise'. If Einstein understands that spacetime is the relationbetweenobjects and nothing more, then it would make sense that he alsounderstandsthat by curvature or warping he means only the warping of the pathswhichobjects take. I am going to try to read his original manuscript:http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Einstein/Einstein_Relativity.pdf sofar Ifind no mention of 'warp' or 'curvature'.I also think this discussion has reached beyond diminishing returns.See, that's the thing, I could talk about this stuff forever. Iused to havethe conventional view of spacetime, but the more people I talk to,and themore knoweldgeable they are, the more I can see clearly that theirbasis fordisagreeing with me is purely out of dread, and not out of anyparticularcounterfactual scientific observation or understanding that theyhave. I amconsidering offering $1000 to the first person who can explain tome in away that I can agree with why my conjecture is wrong. CraigI will stick with the conventional definition of space and time. RichardOn Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> wrote:On Thursday, October 11, 2012 8:03:15 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:Roger: So neither space and time nor spacetime physically exist. Richard: That is unscientific. Physics could be entirely wrong. But I will bet on physics being correct and you and Craig being incorrect.But you are entitled to your opinion however absolute you makeit soundlike.Craig: If we are right, then it is the Physics of Leibniz andEinstein(andprobably others...Bohm?) are correct. Why does yourinterpretation speakfor Physics but these others do not? Try this. Imagine universe with nothing but a ping pong ball in a vacuum.There really is no 'space' there. Without some other object toprovide aframe of reference, there is literally no way to conceptualize a differencebetween one 'place' to be and another. No direction to face.Space isallinformation entropy. The lack of signal for us to make sense outof. Itisnothing but the inferred gap between one participant and anotherin theparticular visual-tactile-acoustic sense modalities of theparticipantssubjectivity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/5hdLUQVMIcAJ. To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.--You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups"Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/Rg7yPltr2o8J.To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.--You received this message because you are subscribed to the GoogleGroups "Everything List" group.To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.

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