On 28 Oct 2012, at 23:11, Stephen P. King wrote:

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On 10/28/2012 10:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:On 27 Oct 2012, at 17:02, Stephen P. King wrote:On 10/27/2012 10:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:On 26 Oct 2012, at 20:30, Stephen P. King wrote:On 10/26/2012 8:44 AM, Roger Clough wrote:Dear Bruno and Alberto,I agree some what with both of you. As to the idea of a"geneticalgorithm can isolate anticipative programs", I think thatanticipationis the analogue of inertia for computations, as Mach sawinertia. It isa relation between any one and the class of computations thatit belongsto such that any incomplete string has a completion in thecollectionsof others like it. This is like an error correction orcompressionmechanism. -- Onward! Stephen ROGER: For what it's worth--- like Mach's inertia, each monad mirrors the rest of the universe.Dear Roger,Yes, but the idea is that the mirroring that each monad does ofeach other's "percepts" (not the universe per se!) is not anexact isomorphism between the monads. There has to be adifference between monads or else there is only One.Right, and in the arithmetical Indra Net, all universal numbersare different.And the, by the first person indeterminacy it is like there is acompetition between all of them to bring your most probable next"instant of life". It looks that, at least on the sharable part,there are big winners, like this or that quantum hamiltonian. Butwe have to explain them through the arithmetical Net structure,if we want separate properly the quanta from the qualia.BrunoDear Bruno,A slightly technical question. In the arithmetic IndraNet idea,what plays the role of the "surface" that is reflective?reread carefully the UDA. You should understand by yourself thatthe "surface" role is played by the first person experience. Thisis due to the fact that the experience are UD-delay invariant, andis a limiting sum on the infinite works of an infinite collectionof universal numbers.Dear Bruno,My worry is that you seem to assume the equivalent of an absoluteobserver that acts to distinguish the content of the first personexperience (1p) from each other, as simply an inherent differencebetween "universal numbers".

Not at all. Where?

`On the contrary, it is the difference of the inputs receive by`

`identical universal numbers which will trigger a branching experience.`

`It is exactly like the WM scenario, but with the UD protocol (step`

`seven).`

Given that one number can be used to code for other numbers, alaGodel numbering schemes, how is it that universal numbers can besaid to have any thing unique that would identify them in a non-trivial way?

?

`From the first person perspective no intensional number (the i in`

`phi_i) can be sure of its relative code, but this is normal in the`

`comp theory. No machine can know which machine she is, but this does`

`not prevent them of having experiences, and this with the right measure.`

How do we get the numbers to appear separated from each other?This comes from elementary arithmetic, although I am not sure whyyou are using of the word "appear" instead of "are"."Are"? To who are they different?

`To God, if you insist. The difference between 17 and 2 is 15,`

`independently of any observer or universe.`

Your idea here seems to depend on a pre-established harmony likesituation.

`No, it depends on elementary arithmetic, like all theories which use`

`the number.`

`If you believe that "17 -2 = 15" is a function of observer, I will ask`

`you "in which theory (of number and observer"?". I will ask you for`

`describing the functional dependence.`

`You answer will make sense only in a theory which do no more depend on`

`the observer.`

`If you doubt that 17-2=15" is absolute, I am not sure any theory you`

`can give to me will make sense.`

`I'm afraid your remark might validly demolish the whole of the science`

`enterprise.`

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