On 02 Nov 2012, at 23:12, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 11/2/2012 1:23 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I can understand these symbols because there is at least a way
to physically implement them.
Those notion have nothing to do with "physical implementation".
So your thinking about them is not a physical act?
Too much ambiguous. Even staying in comp I can answer "yes" and "no".
Yes, because my human thinking is locally supported by physical
No, because the whole couple mind/physical events is supported by
platonic arithmetical truth.
Where is the evidence of the existence of a Platonic realm?
It is part of the assumption. We postulate arithmetic. I try to avoid
the use of "platonic" there, as I used the term in Plato sense. In
that sense Platonia = the greek Noùs, and it is derived from
arithmetic and comp.
All you need is the belief that 43 is prime independently of "43 is
The mere self-consistency of an idea is proof of existence
Already in arithmetic we have the consistence of the existence of a
prrof of the false, this certainly does not mean that there exist a
proof of the false. So self-consistency is doubtfully identifiable
with truth, and still less with existence.
but the idea must be understood by a multiplicity of entities with
the capacity to distinguish truth from falsehood to have any
coherence as an idea!
Not at all. 43 is prime might be true, even in absence of universe and
We cannot just assume that the mere existence of some undefined acts
to determine the properties of the undefined. Truth and falsity are
possible properties, they are not ontological aspects of existence.
Truth is no more a property than existence. It makes no sense.
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